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| 15:01 | z3p | good morning |
| 15:10 | willkg | oh man... dishwasher install is turning into a minor kitchen makeover. |
| 15:19 | epitron | hahah |
| 15:19 | the side effects of refactoring | |
| 15:22 | willkg | epitron: true that. :) |
| 15:22 | epitron | your kitchen needs to be more loosely coupled! |
| 15:23 | hey, speaking of coding things in the miro channel... | |
| 15:23 | has anyone attempted to give downloaded files sane filenames? | |
| 15:23 | and also, to keep the folder name in synch with the feed's name? | |
| 15:23 | willkg | epitron: there's a bug for that, and no. |
| 15:24 | epitron | hmmm |
| 15:24 | i have miro setup strangely right now | |
| 15:24 | willkg | epitron: er, a bug for "giving download files sane filenames". i've avoided it up until now, but i think it's in the miro 4.0 bug list. |
| 15:24 | epitron | my computer with a huge hard drive downloads the files... then my TV computer watches them |
| 15:24 | heheh | |
| 15:24 | yeah, i noticed that the miro database kinda treats files and independant entities | |
| 15:25 | there needs to be some kind of join table in between some of those entities | |
| 15:25 | s/and/as/ | |
| 15:25 | and i guess miro doesn't have UPNP support... | |
| 15:28 | willkg | epitron: no upnp support.... |
| 15:28 | yet.... | |
| 15:29 | epitron | there are a few wheels that every media app seems to duplicate |
| 15:29 | one is the download manager... the other is the media database... | |
| 15:29 | s/duplicate/reinvent/ | |
| 15:29 | these should be OS services or something :) | |
| 15:29 | willkg | on linux, it's much easier to use libraries to do things and not bundle everything into one massive app to rule them all. |
| 15:30 | epitron | true |
| 15:30 | willkg | on osx and windows, this is difficult/impossible/not-encouraged. |
| 15:30 | epitron | hahaha |
| 15:30 | exactly | |
| 15:30 | willkg | the ubuntu .deb files for miro are pretty small. we use libcurl for http, libtorrent for torrents, gtk for the gui, ... all of those are system packages. |
| 15:30 | epitron | i wonder what gnome 3 is working on on this front |
| 15:31 | like, i've wanted a filesystem that can tag things for a long time | |
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| 15:31 | epitron | especially for research papers |
| 15:31 | kinda the way picasa does -- you can query a tree of files by year, or by location, or by <tag> | |
| 15:32 | adding arbitrary metadata to files, and having that queryable too, would let you get rid of media databases | |
| 15:32 | picasa, mp3 players, miro, PDF managers... | |
| 15:32 | they could all use the same fundamental layer | |
| 15:32 | i bet source code would benefit too | |
| 15:32 | willkg | have you heard of zeitgeist? i'm pretty sure that's what they're tackling: http://live.gnome.org/Zeitgeist |
| 15:33 | epitron | nope! i'll check it out :) |
| 15:33 | oh, browser tabs! | |
| 15:33 | i want to do that to browser tabs too :) | |
| 15:33 | browser cache is another example of things clustered/tagged | |
| 15:33 | cache files are queryable by URL | |
| 15:33 | but multiple pages can require the same cached object | |
| 15:34 | it's this whole crosslinked idea | |
| 15:34 | * willkg | nods. |
| 15:34 | * epitron | nods. |
| 15:35 | strokey beardy. | |
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| 16:46 | willkg | afk to take a shower.... |
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| 17:23 | willkg | i feel sooo much better now. |
| 17:26 | z3p: you're ok with cobranding stuff, right? i want to verify that everything is ok, so i can cross these items off my todo list. | |
| 17:26 | z3p | willkg: yeah; I think we're good |
| 17:27 | willkg | yay! |
| 17:27 | z3p | willkg: at least, you're good :) |
| 17:46 | willkg | hrm. fixed another bug with the mediakeys implementation. |
| 17:46 | afk a smidge. | |
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| 19:12 | paroneayea | yo |
| 19:12 | http://code.creativecommons.org/issues/issue710 | |
| 19:12 | :) | |
| 19:25 | willkg | paroneayea: yay! |
| 19:25 | paroneayea: i can't wait until universal subtitles grows an api and we can start using it in miro. | |
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| 20:25 | willkg | z3p: bugzilla automatically cc:s a bunch of people for MC bugs, but it doesn't cc: paulproteus. should i add him to the default cc list? |
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| 20:38 | ajonas | willkg: i think that makes sense (though he's assigned your bug, so he is getting pinged) |
| 20:40 | willkg | ajonas: ok. i'll tweak bugzilla. |
| 20:40 | ajonas | ty |
| 20:43 | willkg | ajonas: done. |
| 20:43 | ajonas | thanks! |
| 20:43 | willkg | plus... this problem is so painful for me, i skulked through the code and threw together a blind fix which seems right. |
| 20:44 | ajonas | willkg: neat, i'm sure it will be useful to paulproteus |
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| 21:56 | * paulproteus | waves |
| 21:56 | paulproteus | paroneayea: Yay! re: CC issue |
| 21:56 | ajonas: I hear there's a MC dev emergency )-: | |
| 21:57 | Oh, sockets. | |
| 21:57 | ajonas | paulproteus: not really an emergency, we'd just like to figure out what's going on. |
| 22:01 | paroneayea | paulproteus: ;o |
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| 22:47 | paulproteus | We should be monitoring the Apache log for how many Error 500s we get, too. |
| 22:52 | I feel confused and stressed, which how I respond to server outages. | |
| 22:53 | I'm going to take a second and breathe, and then share my day's TODO list with the channel (-: | |
| 23:08 | Okay, first on the queue: Deploy new version of flowplayer to un-break a bunch of videos, http://bugzilla.pculture.org/s[…]_bug.cgi?id=15115 | |
| 23:08 | * paulproteus | does that. |
| 23:16 | paulproteus | ajonas: BTW, http://coffee.mirocommunity.or[…]ichal-mullen-chai is a sample site using the new version of Flowplayer. |
| 23:17 | The thumbnail loads, which means the bug is fixed, but the remote video server actually is hanging, so the video doesn't play. | |
| 23:17 | ajonas | paulproteus: how is it using the new version, even though it's live? |
| 23:17 | paulproteus | ajonas: On that one server I fiddled with things. |
| 23:17 | I think just that one site, actually. | |
| 23:18 | ajonas | paulproteus: ok. what we've done in the past is made changes to dev sites to test, in case something goes wrong |
| 23:18 | paulproteus | Yeah. It was an extremely micro change, just changing one setting to use the new version of flowplayer, so I felt comfortable doing it in just that one site. |
| 23:18 | ajonas | cool |
| 23:19 | i think it worked, though the videos are so slow to play it's hard to tell :) | |
| 23:19 | paulproteus | So I'm aware of that protocol in general, but broke it in this one case because I knew it was a low-risk change (I just changed the settings for that site to use a new version of flowplayer, since it already did not work for that site). |
| 23:19 | Now I'll undo those site-specific changes and do a global roll-out. | |
| 23:22 | ajonas | i still haven't gotten a video to play, but again, it may be a problem with the video |
| 23:22 | paulproteus | Yeah, I'm trying to get the video to play on my desktop system with mplayer, and I get this error: |
| 23:22 | Connecting to server fms1.nps.edu[205.155.65.89]: 80... | |
| 23:22 | Read failed. | |
| 23:23 | It worked when I tested it before, so I'm pretty confident about it still. | |
| 23:23 | * paulproteus | undoes the site-specific changes. |
| 23:25 | paulproteus | (done) |
| 23:25 | * paulproteus | tests the roll-out on the dev server |
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| 23:45 | paulproteus | maggie_s: One humorous thing: "maggie is powered by Miro Community" <http://maggie.mirocommunity.or[…]ch/?q=m4v&x=0&y=0> |
| 23:46 | maggie_s | paulproteus: :) |
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