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| 09:09 | Topic for #miro-hackers is now Miro and MiroCommunity.org developers channel -- Got a bug? Have the ticket number ready. Nightlies at http://nightlies.pculture.org/ . | Channel is logged, "/msg SNAILBot help" for more info. | |
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| 15:12 | willkg | paulproteus: do you have any time today to talk about tweaking vidscraper so it can do things asynchronously? |
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| 15:14 | paulproteus | Today isn't a great day for it, 'cause I owe ajonas (uh oh here she is) an update on MC tiers stuff. But maybe tomorrow, first thing after the call? |
| 15:19 | willkg: ^ | |
| 15:24 | willkg: having said that, if you want to talk in the evening, I could totally do that; but if that's not a good time for you, tomorrow works for me. | |
| 15:31 | ajonas: http://www-dev.mirocommunity.org/ is my current final-esque version of the main page | |
| 15:31 | Let me know what you think | |
| 15:31 | I think everything's hooked up, except that if you try to submit the form to create a site, you get an error. | |
| 15:31 | That's the way things have always been on www-dev, as far as I can tell. | |
| 15:32 | ajonas | paulproteus: for http://www-dev.mirocommunity.o[…]/step-two/premium , two things |
| 15:32 | paulproteus | OH, and ToS and Privacy Policy ought to go somewhere |
| 15:33 | ajonas | I think we discussed having a note somewhere on where peopel are going - like, for those doing a premium account, to paypal |
| 15:33 | paulproteus | Oh, right-o |
| 15:33 | ajonas | paulproteus: yeah, where should I put them? |
| 15:34 | paulproteus: and the "Login to Upgrade" - i can't remember what our final decision was on that - have a pop-up asking for your site name? | |
| 15:34 | paulproteus: but it shouldn't be a button if it doesn't go anywhere | |
| 15:34 | paulproteus | Yeah... you really wanted me to make a pop-up for that, and I thought it was ugly and difficult. |
| 15:34 | Let's do things one at a time -- ToS and privacy policy first, I'll say arbitrarily. | |
| 15:35 | ajonas | paulproteus: i don't feel strongly about having a pop-up, i just don't want a button that doesn't do anything. |
| 15:36 | paulproteus | Okay, then how about I adjust the text in the yellow box to say "Already have a Miro Community site? You can upgrade within your site's admin section." |
| 15:36 | And ditch the button. | |
| 15:37 | willkg | paulproteus: regarding sync/async, tonight might be good... can i let you know as it happens or is it easier for you to plan it now? |
| 15:37 | ajonas | paulproteus: that's a little clunky, I think - let me think for a min, we can come back to it after we put up the tos |
| 15:38 | paulproteus | willkg: as-it-happens is fine, though I'm going to be afk from 6:30 to 8:15 |
| 15:38 | ajonas: b | |
| 15:38 | ajonas | paulproteus: privacy policy is here - http://universalsubtitles.org/w3c/privacy.html (for all pcf projects) |
| 15:38 | paulproteus | Got it, so I can just link there? That's easy. |
| 15:38 | ajonas | paulproteus: so just needs to be on an mc page |
| 15:38 | willkg | paulproteus: ok. i'll ping you on irc later, then. and if we don't talk tonight, we'll talk tomorrow. |
| 15:38 | paulproteus | willkg: b |
| 15:38 | Or, do you want me to copy the text into a mirocommunity.org page, ajonas? | |
| 15:39 | ajonas | paulproteus: probably better to do the later |
| 15:40 | paulproteus | "a developerтАЩs number" is inside that document. |
| 15:40 | I guess that's Russian mojibake <https://secure.wikimedia.org/w[…]/en/wiki/Mojibake> | |
| 15:41 | I guess the Russian characters there are really just meant to be a smart-quotes apostrophe. | |
| 15:41 | ajonas | paulproteus: weird |
| 15:41 | paulproteus: looks like there's a few of them | |
| 15:42 | paulproteus | Yeah, I'm testing my theory re: smart quotes |
| 15:42 | ajonas | paulproteus: i'm not sure i have a plain text version, but let me know if it doesn't work |
| 15:42 | paulproteus | I have no way to de-mojibake that page. |
| 15:43 | I honestly believe we should just move that page to pculture.org. | |
| 15:43 | And then MC can link there, and it will make sense. | |
| 15:43 | ajonas | paulproteus: ok, let's do TOS and put that on a back burner |
| 15:43 | paulproteus: i have a html file for the tos | |
| 15:44 | paulproteus: shall i email it to you? | |
| 15:44 | paulproteus | I'd rather bugzilla but I could do email |
| 15:44 | http://bugzilla.pculture.org/s[…]_bug.cgi?id=15445 already has it | |
| 15:44 | ajonas | paulproteus: that's fine, actually, i think i might have put it in bugzilla |
| 15:44 | * paulproteus | adds it to the repo |
| 15:44 | ajonas | paulproteus: awesome |
| 15:50 | paulproteus: for existing users - can we make the button a nicely shaped text field that says "Enter your site name here" or something, with a "Go" button or whatever after it, and then we send them to theirsite.mirocommunity.org/upgrade ? tell me if that's too much trouble | |
| 15:50 | i think mattjohnson suggested a JS drawer sliding out (as an alternative), though that seemed trickier to me | |
| 15:52 | paulproteus | ajonas: Are you on the plans@ mailing list? |
| 15:52 | ajonas | paulproteus: yes |
| 15:53 | paulproteus | Great |
| 15:54 | I just wrote a longer version of what you just wrote, but to plans@ ! | |
| 15:55 | I'll ship the ToS page to mcdev and then chat more on IRC | |
| 15:58 | http://www-dev.mirocommunity.org/tos (will rename to /terms in a sec) | |
| 15:58 | If you want, I can remove the empty space at the bottom of the page, and/or make its styling be like www.mirocommunity.org/faq/ | |
| 15:59 | bendk | paulproteus: I'm completely on board with moving the privacy policy |
| 15:59 | paulproteus | Super rad (-: |
| 16:02 | ajonas | paulproteus: cool, sure |
| 16:17 | paulproteus | ajonas: one styled terms page coming right up |
| 16:19 | Whatevs, I'm going to call that done for now if it's okay with you. | |
| 16:20 | ajonas | paulproteus: which part? |
| 16:20 | paulproteus | Styling of http://www-dev.mirocommunity.org/terms |
| 16:20 | ajonas | paulproteus: i think having the styling match would be good, at least for the top header |
| 16:21 | paulproteus | Okay, hopefully then eta 6 min |
| 16:21 | ajonas | paulproteus: it should just be adding an id, i think? |
| 16:21 | paulproteus | yeah, think so |
| 16:21 | ajonas | the other pieces don't matter too much |
| 16:26 | paulproteus | Fixing the tags to actually match, and then will push to mc-dev |
| 16:29 | Should we link to this page from somewhere other than the signup page? | |
| 16:29 | e.g. faq? | |
| 16:30 | ajonas | paulproteus: yes, but the FAQ probably needs a more thorough overhaul |
| 16:30 | paulproteus: we also link to it on every new admin page | |
| 16:31 | paulproteus | Okay, great. |
| 16:31 | I'll take that to mean, no extra links needed (except fixing the signup page, which I've just done locally and will push shortly) | |
| 16:31 | z3p | bendk: so the more I think about it, the less I think that ItemSource is replacing anything in database.py other than the limiting stuff |
| 16:32 | bendk | hmm, I'm not sure I understand that |
| 16:32 | z3p | bendk: I think it's more something like ItemTrackerBase, in messagehandler.py |
| 16:32 | ajonas | paulproteus: sounds good |
| 16:33 | bendk | we could do that, but how would you handle search? |
| 16:33 | the way I see it, ItemSource is the very lowest level of data fetching, then View/ViewTracker add on limiting, then ItemTrackerBase uses ViewTracker | |
| 16:34 | shoot, I have to run out to pick someone up | |
| 16:34 | be back in like 45 mins | |
| 16:36 | z3p | bendk: ping me when you're back |
| 16:36 | bendk: but the main issue is that view/viewtracker is used for all kinds of other non-item stuff | |
| 16:37 | paulproteus | itemlessness |
| 16:40 | willkg | afk a smidge to refill my coffee and put some pants on. |
| 17:03 | bendk | z3p: back |
| 17:03 | View/ViewTracker is used all over the place, but I think all the calls go through make_view() | |
| 17:04 | ahh, now I see an issue | |
| 17:04 | that means that we do really need to use DataSource, not ItemSource, since we will be using it for all the data types | |
| 17:05 | but I don't think it would be so bad | |
| 17:05 | I sort-of have an idea in my head of how it could work | |
| 17:05 | I could do the database side of things if you wanted to make DeviceItem use it | |
| 17:08 | and maybe this is too involved, but it seems to me that View/ViewTracker basically have the DataSource API. We could make a class called FilteredDataSource or something like that and replace them | |
| 17:10 | paulproteus | ajonas: Check out e.g. http://www-dev.mirocommunity.o[…]up/step-two/basic now |
| 17:11 | In particular, happy with ToS and privacy links? | |
| 17:11 | If so, I think the only remaining issue for that page is the "upgrade" link. | |
| 17:11 | z3p | bendk: it could be DataSource, but we're not getting feeds, or sites, or anything other than items, from devices/DAAP |
| 17:11 | paulproteus | My goal for the next hour is to totally finish the changes to the main site for tiers. |
| 17:11 | ajonas | paulproteus: nit picky - can you add a space above the links? |
| 17:12 | paulproteus: I'd also still like a note of some sort telling people where they're going | |
| 17:12 | paulproteus | Oh, right-o |
| 17:12 | I'll do those two right | |
| 17:12 | now | |
| 17:12 | bendk | yes |
| 17:12 | ajonas | thanks! |
| 17:12 | paulproteus: otherwise, seems good to me | |
| 17:12 | bendk | but how else would we handle it? |
| 17:13 | ajonas | paulproteus: when you say "totally finish the changes to the main site for tiers" is that the limitations? or the upgrade page? or both? |
| 17:14 | z3p | bendk: instead of having ItemTrackerBase, we have SourceTracker base |
| 17:15 | bendk: it's a pretty simple API they use, that maps well to the DataSource API | |
| 17:15 | *ItemSource API | |
| 17:15 | bendk: we can do the filtering there, too, and remove it from the views | |
| 17:16 | bendk | okay, we could do it that way |
| 17:16 | z3p | bendk: then make_item_tracker() does stuff with sources, rather than views |
| 17:16 | we have a DatabaseSource, which deals with the database/item_info_cache | |
| 17:16 | bendk | how would search work? |
| 17:17 | z3p | bendk: limiters work with pretty simple data; we just have them work on ItemInfos instead of Items |
| 17:17 | bendk: and so it's SourceTracker.change_limiter() | |
| 17:19 | bendk | It seems like we should put the code to handle search and/or limiting in a class somewhere. I think that ItemTrackerBase is already doing enough work |
| 17:20 | we could either make it a separate class that uses ItemSource, or we could make ItemSource a base class that has the code for searh | |
| 17:20 | paulproteus | ajonas: How do you feel re: space + paypal note? re: http://www-dev.mirocommunity.o[…]up/step-two/basic |
| 17:20 | z3p | bendk: yeah, I think we keep something like SearchLimiter |
| 17:20 | paulproteus | ajonas: re: changes to the main site: I mean www-dev.mirocommunity.org, and anything inside of there. |
| 17:21 | The "meat" of tiers is really in the localtv app. There, tier enforcement is done, but I have to finish writing the code to handle payment. | |
| 17:21 | z3p | bendk: that SourceTracker asks to filter the objects it sees |
| 17:22 | paulproteus | For some reason I dread working with the PayPal API so I'm trying to do everything else possible first, so that there's nothing else left to do except the PayPal stuff, and then I have no excuse not to, and can successfully force myself to. |
| 17:22 | It won't actually take that long, so I think that we can be totally done with tiers (hopefully even with testing+bug fixing time, but only hopefully) by the end of the week. | |
| 17:23 | bendk | I think that will work, my personal feeling is that I would rather have fewer interfaces if possible, and try to make things work with DataSource. But if you want to handle it that way, I say go for it |
| 17:23 | ajonas | paulproteus: spacing looks fine |
| 17:23 | paulproteus: cool - i'm doubtful on week's end because i think the limits are going to be a pain, but i'm glad you're hopeful! (: | |
| 17:24 | paulproteus | (-: |
| 17:24 | Is the paypal message okay with you, too? | |
| 17:24 | ajonas | paulproteus: yep, loks good |
| 17:24 | *looks | |
| 17:24 | paulproteus | bd |
| 17:25 | ajonas | paulproteus: will they be required to have a paypal account? |
| 17:25 | paulproteus | Almost definitely not. |
| 17:25 | z3p | bendk: I just don't see what advantage we get with having a DataSource which deals with feeds/etc |
| 17:25 | seems like more trouble than its worth | |
| 17:27 | bendk | Either way, we have to move the DB code into another class |
| 17:27 | paulproteus | ajonas: Okay, so let's talk about the button |
| 17:27 | I don't' like the idea of it being a text field when the page loads. | |
| 17:27 | Most users (I imagine) will be making new accounts, so they won't need a text field. | |
| 17:27 | bendk | actually, now that I think of it, if we just do ItemSource, how do we avoid duplicate code to handle DB stuff in ItemSource and View? |
| 17:27 | ajonas | paulproteus: what solution do you recommend? |
| 17:27 | paulproteus | But I'm okay with e.g. having people click a button, and then they get a text field. |
| 17:28 | ajonas | paulproteus: ok, let's do that |
| 17:28 | paulproteus | I also think it's kind of weird to ask people to enter a portion of a URL into this web page, and then we redirect them to their own admin site. |
| 17:28 | I find that totally strange. | |
| 17:28 | That's the reason I'm dragging my feet on this. | |
| 17:28 | ajonas | paulproteus: what would you recommend? |
| 17:29 | paulproteus | Maybe when you click "Login to upgrade" (which is still a button), we do a JS overlay similar to how the login box appears as an overlay. |
| 17:29 | And then you enter your site name there, and then we redirect you. | |
| 17:29 | I would really prefer if Matt designed that. | |
| 17:30 | The thing is that if you click "Login to upgrade!" the form here is irrelevant. | |
| 17:30 | So that's why I like dimming it out. | |
| 17:30 | z3p | bendk: I think most of the current DB code can stay, since non-item stuff uses it, but I'll hack on it and see what happens |
| 17:30 | ajonas | paulproteus: i think it's pretty clear that the current layout doesn't make sense, yes. i think what you're saying is what matt suggested (see above) and similar to my thoughts with a pop-up. |
| 17:31 | paulproteus: so yes, i'll ask matt if he can design it | |
| 17:31 | bendk | I'm just not seeing how you can code ItemSource without copying a lot of code from View/ViewTracker |
| 17:31 | paulproteus | Yeah, sounds great. |
| 17:31 | Thanks. (-: | |
| 17:31 | Other than that, are you happy with the way www-dev does signup? | |
| 17:32 | ajonas | paulproteus: it looks fine - i can't test the actual signup process, right? |
| 17:32 | paulproteus | Sadly no. |
| 17:32 | ajonas | paulproteus: then yes, given that it works. i think knowing whether or not it works would be good. |
| 17:33 | paulproteus | I think so too (-: |
| 17:33 | I can make this form do the same create-account stuff that the real one does. | |
| 17:33 | I'll do that approximately tomorrow. | |
| 17:34 | ajonas | paulproteus: i am reluctant to add the extra time, but i think it makes sense |
| 17:34 | paulproteus | extra time w/r/t the upgrade link? |
| 17:35 | ajonas | paulproteus: no, w/r/t "make this form do the same create-account stuff that the real one does" |
| 17:35 | paulproteus | Oh, no, that'll be super simple |
| 17:35 | ajonas | paulproteus: ok |
| 17:35 | paulproteus | I want to not do it right now because I want to first make sure it's plausible that it works (-: |
| 17:35 | That's all. | |
| 17:36 | ajonas | paulproteus: cool |
| 17:36 | paulproteus: so, up next, paypal? | |
| 17:36 | paulproteus | 1) Fix the backend of the create_site thing, so that it successfully stores the tier_name in the database of the new site |
| 17:37 | 2) change the way the localtv app works so that if it's a paid tier and the person hasn't entered paypal info yet, then send the user to paypal | |
| 17:37 | 3) Actually handle the response from paypal | |
| 17:37 | I'm going to be gone for lunch for a bit, but I'll be back by 2:30 and you can reasonably expect some progress on the above before the day's end. | |
| 17:38 | ajonas | paulproteus: sorry to return to this, but i realize it's unclear. tell me what you're thinking for when someone clicks the button and the js pop-up (similar to the login or signup window) appears? what would be entered there? the user's site name? |
| 17:39 | paulproteus | Just the site name, yeah. |
| 17:39 | ajonas | ok. |
| 17:39 | paulproteus | Like I would enter 'openhatch', and the JavaScript would then redirect me to http://openhatch.mirocommunity.org/admin/upgrade |
| 17:39 | ajonas | paulproteus: re: plan - sounds good. if you have time, can you give me an overview of where things are at with the other tier pieces? |
| 17:39 | *nod* | |
| 17:39 | paulproteus | Matt could actually make the whole thing work, if he can do JS |
| 17:40 | If not, no biggie | |
| 17:40 | The form wouldn't submit anywhere; JS just does generates a URL string and redirects the user within the browser. | |
| 17:41 | Actually, I guess I could right *now* make the overlay exist, so then he would just have to style it. | |
| 17:41 | That seem like a good division of labor? | |
| 17:41 | I can even make it look just like the login box for now. | |
| 17:42 | ajonas | paulproteus: sure |
| 17:42 | paulproteus: if it won't take you too long | |
| 17:42 | paulproteus | I might have to do that post-lunch, but I think it's a good thing to do. |
| 17:42 | Not super long. | |
| 17:42 | ajonas | paulproteus: ok. do you have time to give me an overview pre-lunch? |
| 17:43 | paulproteus | Yeah -- so otherwise, the tier enforcement I think works fine. There are some forms in the admin for upgrading, which have to be double-checked but are probably good. |
| 17:44 | I kind of think there's almost nothing to do but handle the paypal-ing. | |
| 17:44 | ajonas | paulproteus: is tier enforcement up on the dev sites? |
| 17:45 | paulproteus | I think I didn't deploy that; it's just on a branch |
| 17:45 | I was hoping to wait for the paypal + free trial code to be written first. | |
| 17:45 | ajonas | paulproteus: can you tell me why? for me, it's all a big mystery right now, whereas if the enforcement stuff were up, i could start poking at it |
| 17:47 | paulproteus | I have to make some decisions about when we check sites for payment expiry. I guess that should be nightly, rather than on each request. |
| 17:47 | Anyway, I can deploy tiers stuff as-is on some dev sites, and set some tiers, and I think they will do the right thing with enforcing. | |
| 17:48 | ajonas | paulproteus: ok - i'm mostly concerned about things like limits on video and such |
| 17:48 | paulproteus | Let me read the tests briefly to double check what is actually implemented |
| 17:48 | ajonas | paulproteus: i'm fine with your way if it works better for you, i'm just itching to start testing it because i think there will turn out to be things we've forgotten to include or pieces we need to add |
| 17:49 | paulproteus: just because it's so complex | |
| 17:50 | paulproteus | Hmm, and I take it back -- it's just tier *definitions* that are done. For tier-related limits that just relate to old settings options, those get enforced. Video limits don't. |
| 17:50 | # of admins does, iirc. | |
| 17:50 | Yeah, # of admins does. | |
| 17:51 | The UI there will need some review, so all the more reason to let you poke at it early. | |
| 17:51 | I think video limits will be pretty straightforward, but of course that's a bold statement! | |
| 17:51 | ajonas | paulproteus: nod, yeah, it will be good for me to understand what's there and what's not, if it works for you |
| 17:51 | paulproteus | Right now, the only way to set a tier is using the database. |
| 17:52 | If you want I can make it so that there's a UI to change the tier a site is in. | |
| 17:52 | In the future, sure, you can upgrade -- but that depends on paypal stuff working! | |
| 17:52 | ajonas | paulproteus: could it just be the upgrade page w/o paypal, just to test? |
| 17:53 | paulproteus | That sounds quite doable, though I'd have to actually code something there. |
| 17:53 | It'd be very quick, so I'm perfectly happy to do so. | |
| 17:53 | ajonas | paulproteus: that sounds ideal to me |
| 17:53 | paulproteus: thanks! | |
| 17:53 | paulproteus | Post-lunch, then, I'll do that, and the overlay for upgrade (in reverse order). |
| 17:53 | ajonas | paulproteus: sounds good |
| 17:53 | paulproteus | I like your plan a lot; thanks for pushing me and finding out what I'm sticking on. |
| 17:54 | ajonas | paulproteus: np, thanks for being flexible! |
| 17:59 | paulproteus: also, for the dashboard, we only need the top half when we launch the tiers - just getting started and the stuff above it. the bottom half can wait since it will need more hooking up. | |
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| 19:06 | willkg | off for a bit to bring the car to the shop. |
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| 19:42 | willkg | back. |
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| 21:03 | * paulproteus | waves |
| 21:08 | ajonas | paulproteus: hi |
| 21:08 | paulproteus | Overlay o'clock! |
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| 22:23 | ajonas | paulproteus: i have to take off early (in ten min or so), so let me know if there's anything you'd like me to look at before then, otherwise i'll be back tomorrow |
| 22:23 | paulproteus | Nope. Will talk to you tomorrow! |
| 22:25 | ajonas | paulproteus: cool, have a good night! |
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| 22:25 | * paulproteus | waves to [OSU]Odysimus |
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| 22:38 | paroneayea | hey paulproteus |
| 22:38 | paulproteus | Yo, sup? |
| 22:39 | paroneayea | remember when I mentioned how I was considering RDFa'ing up either some templates in the Miro Guide or Miro Community and then blogging about it on CC Labs to say "Hey look, the semantic web is here and pretty easy!" |
| 22:39 | well nyergler gave the thumbs up to that | |
| 22:39 | I'm not sure if you or z3p might be open to patches | |
| 22:40 | if not, I can still just do it for demo's sake | |
| 22:40 | and not actually get it in | |
| 22:40 | paulproteus | MC would be awesome, and I am totally up for patches. |
| 22:40 | paroneayea | ok cool :) |
| 22:40 | paulproteus | We could probably sneak it into the 1.2 release, if ajonas isn't looking (-; |
| 22:43 | paroneayea | cool :) |
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