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00:02 willkg paulproteus: you on?
00:02 paulproteus: i have a minor question for you, then i'm going to go work on miro community template stuff.
00:05 paulproteus willkg: Yup, sup
00:05 willkg paulproteus: http://dpaste.com/396187/
00:06 paulproteus: that's from GNOME Miro Community.  i haven't touched the video viewing templates at all, so that's coming from the Miro Community Category theme.
00:06 paulproteus: why is there a <source...> in the <video...> tag?
00:06 paulproteus: i'm pretty sure that's what's screwing up using the site with javascript disabled.
00:06 pretty sure, but not positive.
00:07 paulproteus: where is that code generated?  i hunted through the localtv and localtv-templates repositories and couldn't find video tags anywhere.
00:07 z3p willkg: <source> is part of the <video> spec
00:07 willkg: they're in the djvideo repository
00:07 willkg hrm...  well i'm puzzled.  i think the HTML5 video tag should work with javascript disabled.
00:08 ahh...  djvideo.  i'll look there.
00:08 z3p you are correct, they should
00:09 willkg oh weird.   now they're workign.
00:09 well, i must have screwed up my testing.  i'm not sure how i did that.
00:10 paulproteus (glad you two nailed that down)
00:10 willkg well, so much for that problem.  w00t!
00:10 thank you!
00:11 z3p willkg: problems which aren't problems are easy to fix! :)
00:11 willkg oh no...  i'm right.  it doesn't work if javascript is disabled.
00:11 z3p ah damn, spoke too soon
00:12 willkg: what happens if you put just the video code in a file, and load that in your browser?
00:13 willkg i just did that.  it doesn't work in Firefox 3.6.
00:13 i'll test another browser.
00:14 http://bluesock.org/~willg/videotest.html
00:14 so the top one doesn't work in chromium, but the bottom one (no <source...> tag) does.
00:15 though...  let me break that test out into two separate pages in case it's interfering with itself.
00:15 z3p willkg: looks like that's a known issue in firefox: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/s[…]bug.cgi?id=449358
00:15 willkg: they both appear correctly for me (google chrome)
00:16 willkg ahhh...  ok.  cool.
00:16 ok, well, that's good enough for me.  thanks!
00:17 zanoi deardiary: per display shuffle/repeat + saving shuffle/repeat between app restarts finally works but still has some rough edges
00:19 z3p and the football match I was watching just ended, so I'm heading away from the computer
00:19 g'night all
00:20 willkg z3p, paulproteus: thank you for helping me with that.
00:21 zanoi night
00:27 willkg zanoi: night!
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00:50 willkg back.  had to backup my system because i keep forgetting to do it.
00:58 sooooo glad i wrote that licenseme script.  i just blew through the localtv repository like it was nothing.
01:26 time to jet for the evening...  see you all tomorrow.
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12:46 glee deardiary: Kind of got transcoding videos working
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14:12 z3p good morning
14:12 willkg deardiary: rebooted windows build box and running nightly.
14:13 for some reason, i woke up and thought it was sunday.  not functioning this morning.
14:19 janetPCF: pushed out a windows nightly.
14:20 afk a bit to put on pants, shovel, and get some coffee.
14:20 yes...  it's snowing again.
14:23 z3p willkg: I know, so great
14:23 although it's stopped here
14:50 zanoi morning
15:00 willkg back.
15:00 zanoi !deardiary am planning to smooth out the per display/saving stuff, discussing magnet links and having a look at bug #16134
15:00 wow, that sucked :-S
15:00 ! is how I address my other IRC bot
15:01 i wonder if that got recorded
15:01 willkg: would you have a few minutes to discuss magnetg links?
15:01 *magnet
15:02 willkg zanoi: sure.  but i don't know much about them.  pretty much everything i know is in that bug.
15:03 i definitely can't walk you through how to implement magnet uri support.
15:03 zanoi i don't know much about them either, but i did read a bit lately
15:04 and to me it seems a bit like a project of infinite size, depending on how much of it you want to implement
15:04 willkg really?  i think the bug just wants support for magnet uris.
15:04 zanoi though i'm guessing all you guys mean is opening magnet links when passes to the app with libtorrent or someting
15:05 *passed
15:06 but magnet URIs only determine *what* it is you want to download. Then there are lots of ways you could support of getting that download
15:06 but it seems like nowadays torrents it the only thing that is used a lot
15:07 also there are things like javascript querying of applications with magnet support
15:07 willkg all the examples in that bug are torrents.  beyond that, i don't really know.  sounds like you have questions you should ask in the bug to narrow down the focus of what it is the bug is asking to be implemented.
15:07 zanoi that are part of magnet URIs, but it doesnt seem to be supported
15:07 by apps nowadays
15:07 well, I was wondering if i should send an email to the mailing list
15:08 so we could decide what to implement and what not
15:08 willkg if the email is "what is this bug asking to be implemented specifically?" then that's probably better tossed in a bug comment.
15:08 but...  whatever process you want to use is fine.
15:08 zanoi ok
15:08 willkg given that on the dev call no one seemed to have any knowledge of or opinions on magnet uris except nick, i don't think you'll get much traction on the develop mailing list.  but i could be wrong.
15:09 paulproteus: you on?
15:27 zanoi magnet links are great btw, I think everyone should use them
15:27 just not before I have added them to Miro that is
15:29 paulproteus willkg: Just waking up
15:30 willkg paulproteus: i wanted to finish up work on bug 16156.  i don't know where the LICENSE/COPYING files should go so that they get picked up and put in the theme .zip files.
15:30 paulproteus: figured if you had time, you could enlighten me, then i could do the fix and attach the patch.
15:30 paulproteus: but...  no rush.  we can talk about this later.
15:31 paulproteus b let's talk in an hourish
15:31 willkg ok.
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16:07 zanoi willkg: the --debug options needs a True/False argument but the linux README doesn't mention that
16:07 so you one follows the README miro doesn't start
16:07 should I add it to the README?
16:07 willkg no.  that section needs to be fixed.  debugmode has changed.
16:07 i'll fix it later.
16:07 the README is generally just for devs.  the --help text has it correct.
16:08 zanoi willkg: ok
16:09 willkg generally i do a pass on all the README-like things towards the end of the dev cycle.
16:10 mmm...  i misplaced my coffee somehow.
16:10 janetPCF off to go pick up the kids and run some errands.
16:15 ajonas willkg: do you think someday you will combine coffee and strawberry milkshake, and make the perfect drink?
16:15 zanoi willkg: ok, however it might also be a good idea to have development instructions up to date
16:15 willkg ajonas: tempting....  maybe that should be a Miro 4.1 feature.
16:16 ajonas :)
16:16 willkg zanoi: it's definitely a good idea.  like i said, i'll get to it later.
16:16 zanoi willkg: for example it cause some problems for me since "./run.sh --debug --home=/foo --gconf-name=mirotest" actually runs but in an unexpected way :-S
16:17 z3p deardiary: working on UI tickets
16:17 zanoi wow, strawberry milkshake coffee should definitely be a P1
16:18 *caused
16:19 willkg zanoi: weird.  --debug doesn't work that way in either the old form or the new form and the README doesn't suggest you do that.
16:19 zanoi: if you're running ./run.sh from git, then debugmode is already on.
16:22 zanoi willkg: why doesn't it work that way in the old way? it says the --debug argument turns on debug mode
16:23 the unexpected behavior i meant was that now the --debug will "swallows" the "--home=/foo" and thus one ends up in the wrong home directory
16:23 *"swallow"
16:27 willkg zanoi: i updated the README.  see if it makes more sense to you.
16:29 deardiary: wrote up a new bug, looked at some stuff, worked through email, updated the README for linux, and now to fix an issue on osx with the preference panel.
16:30 deardiary: also, i despammed the develop wiki.
16:31 zanoi willkg: well, you just deleted it. And the linuxBuildDocs link is broken
16:32 willkg yes.  it was wrong.  and it's described in --help.
16:32 but is the README as a whole more or less confusing now?
16:33 zanoi willkg: i think it's good
16:33 willkg ok.
16:33 second linuxbuilddocs link is fixed now.
16:33 zanoi great
16:34 willkg though, it sucks that the url redirects don't seem to be working.  but...  i don't feel like dealing with that whole issue again.
16:36 zanoi when you get around to it you might want to update the linuxbuilddocs wiki page. For example they are missing the better sandboxing instructions
16:36 or if you prefer i could do it as well
16:36 willkg zanoi: go for it.
16:37 zanoi k
16:37 willkg: is it supposed to be the same document?
16:38 willkg i don't understand the question.  what is "it" in this sentence?
16:38 zanoi is the text suppoed to be the same, but the linuxbuilddocs should have a few extra categories?
16:38 *supposed (why can't i spell today?)
16:39 willkg well, we can't make them identical because one's formatted in restructured text and the other is formatted in mediawiki syntax.
16:39 so we can't just copy and paste back and forth.
16:39 i can't tell if that answers your question or not.
16:40 zanoi err..we can we'd just have to change the format
16:41 willkg i don't understand that sentence.
16:41 zanoi nevermind, i'll just do it and if it's wrong you can revert it
16:42 willkg ok.
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17:35 z3p deardiary: finished up the UI bits of the connect pane; figuring out what to do next
17:53 willkg z3p: wow--that connect pane is nice!
17:54 z3p: clicking on "Get Help" doesn't do anything.  is that supposed to do something?
17:59 z3p: also, i think you need to put the Connect view into a scroller so that it scrolls if there isn't enough space.
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18:05 willkg deardiary: fixed up pref panel tabs on OSX.
18:05 z3p: do you have a moment?
18:07 z3p willkg: yep
18:07 willkg: yes, most of the buttons don't work, since I don't have URLs for them at the moment
18:08 it's in the bug
18:08 willkg z3p: how do the theme .zip files get built for Miro Community?  is there a script somewhere or something?
18:08 z3p: re: urls--cool.  that's a usermanual problem, right?  if so, we can just figure them out and i can put in stubs for now.
18:09 z3p willkg: it's in the uploadtemplate code; models.Theme.zip_file(file_obj)
18:09 willkg: get help is a usermanual problem; the app store and the daap download are not
18:09 at least, I think get help would go in the user manual
18:25 zanoi if I use a specific enum everywhere from widgetstatestore and itemlistcontroller to playbackmanager and playbackplaylist...
18:26 ..is there a preferred place where i should define it?
18:26 widgetconst.py maybe?
18:27 kcw zanoi: I've been putting enums in the top of WSS and then accessing them with static methods - have a look at get_list_view_type
18:28 zanoi kcw:  thanks
18:31 willkg z3p: sorry about that--had to step away for a bit.
18:32 z3p: where's the uploadtemplate code?  i don't see that anywhere in the localtv repository.
18:32 z3p willkg: g.p.o/django-uploadtemplate
18:32 willkg ahh...  right.  a different repository.
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18:42 z3p willkg: and thanks for the note about the scroller; just checked it in
18:52 willkg z3p: :)
18:52 z3p willkg: my main display is 1920x1080 so I don't run into small window issues that often
18:54 zanoi afk for dinner
19:07 willkg z3p: i have a huge monitor, too.  but for some reason, i'm still sensitive to the minimum window size issue.
19:07 though...  having said that, it will affect miro on meego netbooks with small screens.
19:08 z3p willkg: *nod* I run most things at full-screen, so I don't notice
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19:27 z3p deardiary: rebuilding my windows sandbox
19:29 zanoi back
19:35 paulproteus deardiary: addressing the last of the notification bugs, http://bugzilla.pculture.org/s[…]_bug.cgi?id=15853
19:38 willkg paulproteus: i think i got all the patches for 16156 done.
19:38 paulproteus GOD, I love the song "Revolution" by R.E.M.
19:38 willkg: super rad. I will try to review and push them today.
19:39 This song is just about random flailing rage. I love it *so* much.
19:39 Not random -- pro-good-things flailing rage.
19:39 For people's various subjective definitions of good things. Complains the chorus, "The future -- it never happened."
19:47 willkg deardiary: working on fastresume stuff again.
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20:04 willkg deardiary: on second thought, i'm going to go put down a carpet pad.  then i'll work more on fastresume stuff.
20:04 afk a bit.
20:05 zanoi yay, turkish coffee
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20:14 ajonas paulproteus: riddle. on coffee, this feed brings in the proper thumbnails and videos play with flowplayer - http://coffee.mirocommunity.org/listing/feed/65 . But on this site, the thumbnails aren't coming in properly and the videos are playing with quicktime - http://eastonmass.mirocommunity.org/author/17
20:14 thoughts? some difference between the servers?
20:15 the behavior on coffee is right in both cases, i think
20:16 paulproteus They're on separate servers.
20:16 I wonder if pcf-mc2 has some crazy sad version of vidscraper.
20:17 ajonas we should probably add some checks into whatever processes we have to make sure the servers all have the same stuff
20:17 paulproteus I agree.
20:18 ajonas paulproteus: should i file a bug for this case?
20:18 paulproteus ajonas: Yeah, you definitely should.
20:18 ajonas k
20:18 paulproteus My brand-new deployment scripts can be used to bring everything in line with each other.
20:19 ajonas nice
20:34 paulproteus deardiary: This is the kind of day where I look at Emacs buffer and pdb and just want to say, "Code -- it's like you're not even listening to me."
20:59 ajonas paulproteus: updated http://bugzilla.pculture.org/s[…]_bug.cgi?id=15809 - for some reason i hadn't seen the comment there
20:59 willkg ajonas: was it in your spam folder?
20:59 ajonas willkg: possible, though i have been getting bz emails
20:59 willkg ajonas: that's been my excuse for the last two or three weeks.
21:01 ajonas willkg: :) i don't think i have that excuse, i just must have passed over it when going through the emails
21:03 paulproteus ajonas: Yay, comments on bugs (-:
21:16 deardiary: Finally closed that notification bug. Everything's easier when I don't stress out. (-:
21:19 willkg kcw: you're on a roll!
21:22 kcw willkg: I'm glad I found a way to replace my ugly fix for #15354... I didn't like having that in there.
21:25 paulproteus Mabye it's a Kaiser roll.
21:30 willkg kcw: the lack-of-scrolling thing was really irritating.  thank you so much for fixing it!
21:34 paulproteus ajonas: So you want the "tiers" page to be put into a section called "Account"
21:34 ajonas paulproteus: yep
21:34 paulproteus But I think that's confusing; there's your personal account, too, after all.
21:34 I guess that's "Your Profile"
21:34 ajonas that's your profile, though, which is clearly labeled
21:35 paulproteus Well, I hereby complain that I think it's confusing and ambiguous, but I can't come up with a better name for now.
21:35 ajonas if you can come up with a better one, i'm definitely flexible, but i think it's clear enough once it's only one click to find out
21:36 ideally someday in the perfect future i'll add hovers or something with a quick explanation of "what is this tab?" or...something better.
21:37 but for now i think it's fine, esp since the dashboard upgrade link goes there
21:40 account could also overlap with settings... but it seems possible to me we'll just rearrange many things in the future
21:46 paulproteus ajonas: Do you want there to be a top tab on the Upgrade page?
21:46 ajonas paulproteus: not for now
21:46 paulproteus For now I will call it "Upgrade", but "Edit your site level" makes more sense in my head.
21:46 Okay, then I won't (-:
21:46 ajonas paulproteus: since it's the only thing there, you know?
21:46 doesn't seem necessary
21:49 * paulproteus fiddles with CSS to make it look okay w/o tabs
21:50 paulproteus The dashboard manages; I'll borrow from that.
21:55 ajonas paulproteus: i had a thought about the custom domain alert upon downgrade - what if they login on the non custom domain site and downgrade?
21:56 paulproteus ?
21:56 The custom domain alert doesn't care how you render the admin page for the site.
21:56 It'll act the same.
21:56 ajonas ok
21:56 paulproteus Is that what you were asking about?
21:57 ajonas assuming we mean the same thing by "custom domain alert" - i mean when it send the notification, it seemed like that was based on seeing a non-mc url
21:58 paulproteus The site stores its best guess as to what its current URL is in the database.
21:58 We alter this when we do the custom domain thing.
21:58 This is what we check at alert time.
21:59 ajonas cool
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22:16 paulproteus Aww, man, the only thing left on my queue for today is Paypal stuff. Guess I have to tie that all together then. (-:
22:16 ajonas paulproteus: it's gonna be SO AWESOME when that's set, though!
22:16 means we're really close to being done!
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22:18 paulproteus (-:
22:25 Welcome back, maggie_s.
22:25 maggie_s paulproteus: Hi!
22:29 ajonas *waves at maggie_s *
22:30 maggie_s ajonas: *waves back*
22:30 ajonas oh gosh darnit, i just randomly discovered a bug on dev sites.
22:31 paulproteus What's that?
22:31 * paulproteus is paypalling, but always likes to hear about bugs.
22:32 ajonas half the edit buttons seem to be missing on video pages - maggie_s , can you confirm? maybe it's just me?
22:33 maggie_s just a moment, I'll check - is it about inline editing? any particular theme?
22:33 ajonas maggie_s: thanks - inline editing, i'm on scrolling but it may be others as well
22:34 paulproteus The blue theme bug is as-yet unfixed
22:34 ajonas they're there for title and description but not other fields
22:35 paulproteus: can we give maggie_s permission in bz to assign to targets and set priorities?
22:35 paulproteus That's fine with me. Can you do that?
22:36 ajonas no, i thought maybe you could
22:36 or, if i can, i do notknow how
22:36 maybe only willkg has the power?
22:37 willkg ajonas: power for what?
22:37 ajonas willkg: edit user permissions in bx
22:37 *bz
22:37 maggie_s ajonas: yes, edit links are missing for me, too
22:37 ajonas willkg: we want to give maggie_s the power to target tickets to a milestone and set priorities
22:37 willkg ajonas: i'm pretty sure everyone has the ability to change the target and priority fields.
22:37 ajonas maggie_s: thanks, i will file a ticket
22:37 willkg maggie_s: are you not able to change target and priority fields?
22:37 ajonas *feels silly!*
22:38 maggie_s willkg: I can, but only in ticket editing mode. When I submit a new ticket, there is no such option to set the target. Is it OK?
22:39 willkg maggie_s: right.  that's how bugzilla works.
22:39 ajonas maggie_s , willkg: sorry, i didn't realize
22:39 willkg maggie_s: er, that's how the create-bug template currently works.
22:39 no worries.
22:39 maggie_s OK
22:39 ajonas maggie_s: please feel free to target critical dev things towards 1.2 , and non-critical non-performance things to 1.8
22:40 maggie_s ajonas: OK, will do!
22:40 ajonas maggie_s: thanks! i just keep reading them in my email and then i forget them because i always search by milestone
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23:08 ajonas paulproteus: not sure if this should be a new ticket or on something else - i got an upgrade email when downgrading
23:08 paulproteus I noticed that they say "upgrade" when they're downgrades.
23:08 New ticket, if possible.
23:08 ajonas paulproteus: they also say congrats!
23:08 paulproteus Hah!
23:08 * paulproteus chuckles.
23:08 ajonas paulproteus: i think it's just as if you'd upgraded
23:09 paulproteus Yeah, exactly. The system doesn't check if you're going down vs. up.
23:09 ajonas paulproteus: it needs to... will make a ticket
23:09 paulproteus If you want to write text for the downgrade one, and submit it as a patch, that'd be super great. Just copy-paste the existing upgrade notification as a start, and make a new .txt file.
23:10 ajonas paulproteus: *nod* the text for that needs to get edited to, will patch it
23:10 *too
23:10 paulproteus I'm thinking they might be separate files, so it won't be entirely like the previous patches where you've modified existing files.
23:10 But yeah.
23:10 ajonas scary, ok
23:14 paulproteus: do you know off the top of your head where the emails live?
23:15 in the repository
23:15 paulproteus Not off the top of my head, but:
23:15 I like to use:
23:15 git grep Congrat
23:15 to search for "Congrat"
23:15 That shows you what files match, and that should let you figure it out pretty quickly.
23:16 ajonas nice
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23:44 zanoi who is moderator for the devel mailing list?
23:45 my email has been stuck and needs approval since yesterday
23:45 ajonas zanoi: did you use your pculture address?
23:46 zanoi yes
23:47 it's not important though, i'm just wondering
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23:49 zanoi oh, looking at the mailinst list archives on the web apparently it is there
23:49 sorry, my fault
23:50 or no, i take that back, the one I in the archives was a different one

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