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00:00 willkg mmm...  does that actually fix it?  wouldn't you rather it have a default value?
00:00 so then it'd be something like getattr(settings, 'FORCE_LOWERCASE_TAGS', False)
00:02 if that's ok, then i'll create a bug for switching to getattr calls for FORCE_LOWERCASE_TAGS and do a patch later.
00:02 paulproteus: ^^^
00:04 rrr...  mc eats ol/ul/li in video descriptions still.
00:06 er, eats is the wrong word.  what's going on is the css is wrong.
00:08 paulproteus: i just made bug 16460 for it.  i stuck it in the 1.2 milestone, but i don't really know the MC workflow, so maybe that was really obnoxious of me.
00:09 ok...  that's enough for right now.  need to get some food.
00:09 afk for a bit.
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14:05 z3p morning
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14:57 zanoi z3p: morning
14:58 CarlFK morning folks
15:03 zanoi deardiary: working on magnet metada, then magnet protocol association and webkit signalling bug
15:03 argh, metdata
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15:49 willkg hi!
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15:54 paulproteus Good morning, everybody
15:55 ajonas paulproteus , willkg : *waves*
15:55 paulproteus: are you back on this coast?
15:56 paulproteus ajonas: Yes. It's nice and rainy here.
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16:22 willkg paulproteus, ajonas: when you install mc locally, what theme does the example.com site have?
16:22 ajonas willkg: my guess would be scrolling
16:22 willkg paulproteus, ajonas: i ask because i go to the "themes" tab in "settings" and there aren't any themes listed.
16:23 ajonas willkg: but i've never installed locally
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16:24 willkg paulproteus: any idea what i'm looking at?  :)
16:25 z3p willkg: list
16:25 willkg: aka theme #1
16:25 paulproteus willkg: Howdy
16:25 willkg: Probably it's just the default non-theme.
16:25 willkg paulproteus: any idea why no themes show up in the themes tab?  is there some installation something or other i have to do?
16:25 paulproteus If that makes sense. That is, it's not covered by the "uploadtemplate" Django app, which is what defines themes.
16:25 willkg: Yeah -- you have to:
16:25 * git clone .../localtv-themes
16:26 * cd there; python setup.py develop
16:26 willkg ok.  i'll add that to the "run your own mc" doc, too.
16:26 paulproteus: would you do the git clone in ~/python-environments/mc/src/ ?
16:27 paulproteus willkg: Oh, the pip way would be:
16:27 pip install -e git+git://whatever/localtv-themes
16:27 I just don't have pip-style things as habits.
16:27 willkg i'm probably going to need to edit and send in patches for the themes, though.
16:27 paulproteus willkg: That's okay; they'll appear in .../mc/src/localtv-themes/ as a git repo you can edit + patch from.
16:28 Then do something to make sure the initial.json file loads. I'm honestly not sure what causes that to load; do you have to maybe add something to your settings.py's INSTALLED_APPS, and then run python manage syncdb maybe.
16:29 willkg ok.  so there's no setup.py file in localtv-themes.
16:31 paulproteus willkg: Can I ask you to ping z3p?
16:31 I think I need to take a bit of a nap to recover from not sleeping enough.
16:31 Back in ca. 40 min hopefully
16:31 willkg z3p: ^^^
16:32 z3p willkg: because it's not a module
16:32 willkg z3p: i'm trying to install the themes locally so that i can go debug them.
16:32 z3p: pretend i don't know what that means.
16:32 z3p willkg: will do; give me a sec to type :)
16:32 * willkg nods.  :)
16:33 z3p willkg: 1) check out that repo and put it somewhere; on my setup it's in project/media, but it can go anywhere
16:33 willkg: 2) 'python setup.py loaddata [path to initial.json]'
16:34 willkg which setup.py is that?
16:35 there's a loaddata in my ~/projects/localmc/manage.py .  should i use manage.py instead of setup.py?
16:35 z3p willkg: 3) set some settings; UPLOADTEMPLATE_MEDIA_ROOT = [path to repo]; UPLOADTEMPLATE_MEDIA_URL = [url which points to repo]; UPLOADTEMPLATE_STATIC_ROOTS = ([path to 'static' in MC repo],); UPLOADTEMPLATE_TEMPLATE_ROOTS = ([path to 'templates' in MC repo],)
16:35 willkg: yes, sorry, manage.py
16:35 * willkg nods.
16:35 willkg no worries.
16:36 z3p willkg: if you're not planning to download the themes, you can ignore the last 2 settings
16:38 willkg is [path to repo] a list of strings?
16:40 z3p: http://develop.participatorycu[…]ro_Community_site
16:40 z3p: that has some of those settings already.  are the values there ok?
16:41 z3p willkg: they're okay if you checked out that repo as 'media/uploadtemplate'
16:42 willkg: otherwise you'll need to update the MEDIA_* settings
16:42 willkg z3p: i'm hoping that whoever wrote that part of the guide did it in the context of the rest of the guide.
16:43 z3p willkg: nothing else in the guide references the themes
16:44 willkg z3p: what is media/uploadtemplate relative to?
16:44 z3p willkg: assuming you haven't changed anything else, there should be a 'media' directory next to 'manage.py'
16:44 willkg there isn't one.
16:45 z3p willkg: where are your thumbnails/images living?
16:45 willkg z3p: the directory looks like this: http://dpaste.com/458776/
16:45 z3p: i have no idea.  i just set it up per the instructions.  i don't really have a clue how mc is organized, yet.
16:46 z3p willkg: okay, it looks like you don't have a 'media' directory, so it's just 'uploadtemplate' in that directory
16:46 (and your thumbnails/etc are in 'localtv')
16:46 willkg ok.  so the localtv-themes repository needs to be cloned to ~/projects/localmc/uploadtemplate/ ?
16:46 z3p willkg: yes
16:47 willkg nice.  that works great.
16:48 z3p: thank you so much for helping!  i'll codify this into the "run your own mc" doc now.  then see if i can slam dunk my css fixes.  then back to miro stuff.
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17:38 willkg oh man...  it's 12:30 already.  today sucks.
17:40 afk for food and stuff.
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18:28 willkg deardiary: working on miro ui bugs.
18:31 zanoi afk for dinner
18:41 willkg afk for food for realz this time.
18:49 bendk deardiary: item details widget is mostly done, on to other UI features
19:10 janetPCF willkg:  I know you just fixed the youtube https thing - this bug came in via GS yesterday - and I put it in 4.1 milestone - if "iexplore" in selvars.set_browser():
19:10 vid_url = "http://blip.tv/file/1077145/"
19:10 else:
19:10 vid_url = "http://blip.tv/file/get/Miropc[…]troduction771.ogv"
19:10 not that
19:10 stup machine
19:11 willkg i have no idea what you just said.
19:12 janetPCF me either
19:12 it was the stupid computer
19:12 http://bugzilla.pculture.org/s[…]_bug.cgi?id=16457
19:12 is a bug about supporting internationalized urls
19:12 I dtopped it into 4.1 milestone
19:13 and I was wondering if you agree that is the right thing - since we are so close to code freeze and no new features, which this is
19:13 willkg i have no idea what to do with that one.  i'd have to look into it.  if you want, put it as a p2 in the 4.0 target and maybe someone will have time fo rit.
19:13 janetPCF basically it's for url's with accented characters
19:14 willkg i know.  i read the bug report.  i just don't know what it entails and how that's supposed to work.
19:15 i'm pushing on ui bugs today.
19:16 ui bugs and things that make it difficult to work on ui bugs.
19:17 the baby is elsewhere today, so i can actually focus on something for more than 30 minutes.  it's weird.
19:29 zanoi deardiary: the deeper i dig, the more problems there are with stupid metainfo
19:44 willkg i'm working on windows, so ping me if you need me because i'm not really paying attention.
19:44 paulproteus deardiary: Good morning.
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20:29 zanoi willkg: if i start a download and then cancel it, is the file supposed to be deleted or stay?
20:29 willkg zanoi: it should get deleted.
20:29 zanoi willkg: ok, because it doesn't
20:30 i'll file a bug then
20:30 willkg zanoi: write up a bug.
20:30 zanoi yay, i got 2 bugs for the price of one!
20:30 paulproteus ajonas: I'd been doing a lot of "cowboy coding" on the Upgrade page, hoping that I could nail down all the cases by just writing code to handle them, but not writing automated tests that ensure we don't have regressions.
20:32 Going forward, I think it's worth investing the time in automated tests for all the bajillion cases, because this is just getting bonkers. So every PayPal case I fix, from now on, I'll write a test case for.
20:32 ajonas paulproteus: seems reasonable to me
20:33 paulproteus: can you write things out on the wiki first, before you make the tests?
20:33 paulproteus: that way we can make sure we agree and the tests are testing for the right things
20:33 * paulproteus nods.
20:34 ajonas thanks - i agree, it's very confusing!
20:39 * paulproteus combs through this wiki page.
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20:55 paulproteus ajonas: I've gone through the cases that are there.
20:55 ajonas paulproteus: awesome! let me take a look
20:56 paulproteus Do you want me to write the missing ones? You're doing a splendid job; I'd rather write tests for the current ones.
20:56 ajonas paulproteus: that's fine - does the upgrade pricing seem correct? i totally confused mysefl
20:56 *myself
20:57 paulproteus The upgrade pricing is correct enough -- the implementation is actually rather sloppy and rounds down, so we probably undershoot by 1-4 bucks routinely.
20:57 ajonas paulproteus: that's fine as in I'm happy to write them and have you check them over
20:57 paulproteus ajonas: That's a perfect plan.
20:57 ajonas paulproteus: that's fine, as long as the method is about the same
20:57 paulproteus Yeah, it is approx. the same.
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22:18 paulproteus deardiary: Adding automated tests for the upgrade page.
22:18 Back in a bit.
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22:54 paulproteus paroneayea: So sometimes Emacs auto-splits buffers I have open.
22:54 How can I undo that?
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22:54 paulproteus (When it wants to e.g. be helpful and open up some Python file due to hitting a Python stacktrace)
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23:10 z3p paulproteus: C-x 0
23:10 paulproteus Huh, great. Thanks!
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23:25 zanoi wilkg: i just found rediscovered bug #16077. It was never assigned to anyone so nobody implemented what we discussed on the mailing list
23:25 shouldn't, that be done before code freeze as well?
23:26 also i'm quite worried about bug #16398, any ideas on what to do about it?
23:28 also we never came to a conclusion on how to solve 16077
23:30 willkg zanoi: 16077 is a P2, so no one thought it was critical for a release.  beyond that, i don't know what's going on with that bug.  all that's in there is your description.
23:30 zanoi heh. i just changed it to a P1
23:30 i probably created it back when had started and was told P1 and P2s will be worked on
23:31 willkg zanoi: and 16398 isn't in the 4.0 target, so i don't think anyone has seen it.
23:31 zanoi uh oh
23:32 willkg i don't know offhand how to fix it.  that's about all i know at this point.
23:32 if it's needed for magnet uri support, then it should get put in the 4.0 target.
23:32 zanoi just did that
23:32 sorry, that was my fault
23:33 willkg no worries.
23:33 as a side note, when you're triaging bugs and changing targets, priorities, and other bug metadata, it's good to add a comment as to why you're doing what you're doing.
23:33 makes it easier to make decisions about the bug later on.
23:33 zanoi ok
23:33 willkg with 16398, i'd add ben to the cc: list.  he might have some ideas on it.
23:34 with 16077, did anything get decided in the mailing list discussion?
23:34 or ping him--i didn't notice he's online.
23:34 bendk: any ideas on bug #16398?
23:35 zanoi bendk: i'll cc you :)
23:35 bendk so I don't have any more other than what I said before
23:36 I'm pretty sure the issue is that we need to support the magnet: uri scheme
23:36 willkg bendk: you don't dream about these bugs and solve them in your sleep?  ;)
23:36 bendk browser bugs do haunt my sleep
23:36 willkg i sometimes do.  it's weird.
23:36 bendk but I haven't figured out anything
23:36 you can give it to me if you want zanoi
23:37 zanoi that would be really great :)
23:37 i haven't spend that much time on it, so if you prefer i can try to look into it more
23:38 but from my rough estimate the bug to me might be in webkit
23:38 willkg zanoi: if there wasn't any resolution with 16077 on the mailing list, it'd reply to the thread and push the conversation onward by summarizing what's been discussed so far.
23:38 zanoi willkg: will do
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23:40 zanoi so do we need 16077 implemented before tomorrow? or is it enough of a bug to be bugfixed later?
23:41 willkg i'm not sure...  given that tomorrow is the codefreeze and we're still sitting on 53 P1 bugs and probably half of them are feature-related, i think we're going to miss the codefreeze.
23:41 which is kind of bad, but so it goes.
23:41 i think that's part of why nick asked everyone to work on ui bugs today.
23:42 zanoi ok
23:43 i kindof took it that i wasn't supposed to drop the magnet stuff and work on UI, but if i should tell me
23:43 willkg i think what'll happen is that we'll work out where things are at wednesday on the dev call and how to get this release done.
23:43 you should stick with the magnet uri stuff.  that's important and it's a big project.
23:45 zanoi i'll go through my bugs to make sure I didn't miss anything else
23:45 willkg that's a good idea.  i should go through mine, too, and make sure they're on the map.

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