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| Time | Nick | Message |
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| 00:07 | willkg | bendk: you on? |
| 00:10 | * paulproteus | quietly waves friendly-ly to willkg. |
| 00:10 | willkg | paulproteus: hi! :) |
| 00:10 | paulproteus | (-: |
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| 00:30 | bendk | willkg: I'm here |
| 00:31 | willkg | bendk: can we do buttons that have an image and text? like in the attachment at http://bugzilla.pculture.org/a[…]hment.cgi?id=3452 |
| 00:31 | bendk | not sure |
| 00:31 | I don't think so | |
| 00:31 | some of our GTK buttons might use the stock icons, but that's different | |
| 00:31 | willkg | i see image buttons and text buttons, but no button classes that have an image and text. |
| 00:32 | hrm.... | |
| 00:32 | bendk | it would be easy with CustomButton |
| 00:33 | Guildenstern | when will you release 4.0 now? |
| 00:33 | willkg | Guildenstern: when it's done. hopefully in early april. |
| 00:33 | Guildenstern: why do you ask? | |
| 00:33 | bendk: ok. i'll look at that. | |
| 00:34 | Guildenstern | I'm just curios :) |
| 00:34 | willkg | Guildenstern: there's a roadmap at http://bugzilla.pculture.org/r[…]arget=4.0&person= |
| 00:34 | Guildenstern: we've still got a lot of stuff to work through. | |
| 00:34 | Guildenstern: if you're game for helping, we'd love to get some help! | |
| 00:35 | Guildenstern | I would if I had time... and I haven't learned python yet |
| 00:35 | bendk | willkg: hmm, the one place I see buttons like that is inside ItemRenderer |
| 00:35 | willkg | Guildenstern: there are a lot of other ways to help out other than development. |
| 00:35 | Guildenstern | maybe I can help some translation stugg |
| 00:35 | tuff | |
| 00:35 | stuff | |
| 00:35 | willkg | Guildenstern: we need help testing, translating, ... |
| 00:36 | bendk: ahh... those download buttons. interesting. | |
| 00:37 | bendk: i'll take a look at those. | |
| 00:37 | bendk: thanks! | |
| 00:37 | bendk | no problem |
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| 00:37 | willkg | bendk: how're you doing on whatever it is you're working on now? |
| 00:37 | bendk | I'm working on the main UI updates |
| 00:38 | it's slow but steady | |
| 00:38 | * willkg | nods. |
| 00:38 | Guildenstern | anyway.. I do not start now... it is 1:30am and I try to get some sleep :) |
| 00:38 | willkg | Guildenstern: i hear that. sleep well! |
| 00:38 | Guildenstern: when you want to do some translating, ping me and i can walk you through it. | |
| 00:39 | Guildenstern | aye... cu |
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| 01:22 | z3p | bendk: if you're around still, you should look at widgetutil.TitlebarButton |
| 01:22 | bendk: which does some stuff for buttons w/ image and text | |
| 01:24 | willkg | z3p: oo--i want to look at it! |
| 01:24 | z3p | willkg: you can look too! |
| 01:24 | willkg | oh, that's totally what i want. thank you! |
| 01:25 | as a side note, it's kind of annoying that there doesn't seem to be much in the way of organization in the widgets modules. | |
| 01:25 | afk a bit.... | |
| 01:26 | z3p | willkg: you're welcome! sorry if I misread the earlier log |
| 01:26 | which I totally did | |
| 01:37 | zanoi | either i'm really tired or the when to resume discussion was really chaotic |
| 01:37 | or both | |
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| 02:05 | willkg | time to jet... later! |
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| 02:54 | zanoi | bendk: thanks for taking the bug |
| 02:54 | i'm off, good night | |
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| 12:49 | CarlFK | unisub broked: http://python.mirocommunity.or[…]eering-ian-bickin |
| 12:50 | the subtitle text is blurry | |
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| 13:57 | willkg | hello! |
| 14:02 | z3p | good morning |
| 14:02 | I need to go drop my car at the body shop, but hopefully I'll be back in not-too-long | |
| 14:03 | then UI tickets! | |
| 14:08 | willkg | yay for ui tickets! |
| 14:14 | CarlFK | willkg: unisub broked: http://python.mirocommunity.or[…]eering-ian-bickin |
| 14:14 | is the list I posted that to the right place? | |
| 14:16 | willkg | CarlFK: i don't know what list you posted it to. |
| 14:17 | CarlFK | are you on the right list? (cuz that would imply I didn't post to it) |
| 14:19 | willkg | what list? |
| 14:22 | CarlFK | what is the right list to post uni sub bugs to? |
| 14:24 | willkg | i don't know. i'm not involved in the universal subtitles project. sorry about that. |
| 14:25 | CarlFK | ah. i figured you were at least subscribed to the various lists. |
| 14:25 | do you see the fuzzy subs on that pmc video? | |
| 14:26 | willkg | yes. it looks terrible. |
| 14:27 | as a side note, it looks like you had him translate the .flv file. it's probably better to get the .ogv files translated since that works with html5. | |
| 14:27 | i don't know if you can transfer translations from one media url to another. | |
| 14:30 | i'm currently wrapping my head around MC. i was going to move on to getting involved with universal subtitles when i had time to work on that. | |
| 14:43 | z3p | and by 'drop my car' I meant 'bring it back to drop off another day' |
| 14:43 | deardiary: UI tickets | |
| 14:43 | willkg | yay! |
| 14:48 | z3p | doing the search entry is going to be...interesting |
| 14:52 | willkg | z3p: which bug is that? |
| 14:53 | z3p | willkg: part of #16285 |
| 14:53 | willkg: I'm going to spend another hour on it, and then I'm going to leave it for later | |
| 14:53 | willkg | oh... hrm. |
| 14:53 | honestly, i'd skip it and move on. | |
| 14:54 | is that the last part of 16285 that needs to be done? | |
| 14:54 | z3p | willkg: the last part that has established behavior at least |
| 14:54 | willkg | that bug is pretty crazy. can you write up a comment that summarizes where things are at? what needs to be figured out and what is figured out but still needs to be done? |
| 14:55 | z3p | willkg: will do |
| 14:55 | willkg | i think i'd skip it. morgan really wants us to do the sidebar ui overhaul bug. that might be easier to do and more doable. probably better to put that higher in the queue. |
| 14:55 | it's bug 16345. | |
| 14:56 | i'm finishing up the feed bar ui today. then i'm going to look into either 16432 or 15793. | |
| 14:57 | or both. depends on how far i get. | |
| 14:57 | z3p | willkg: yep, I have that one in my inbox |
| 14:57 | speaking of bugs which will be fun to do on GTK... | |
| 14:58 | willkg | yeah, no kidding. |
| 14:59 | i think we're probably better off ditching miro and turning the whole thing into a web app where morgan's designs are easier to implement. | |
| 14:59 | </kvetch> | |
| 14:59 | z3p | willkg: can we just re-release miro 2.5 as miro 4? |
| 14:59 | when we had the XUL-based view? | |
| 15:00 | willkg | yeah! we should do that. |
| 15:05 | mmm... my right arm is really hurting today. | |
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| 16:02 | zanoi | willkg, do you know who is moderator for the mailinst list? |
| 16:02 | *mailing list | |
| 16:03 | i sent an email yesterday but it's still awaiting moderator approval | |
| 16:03 | because it was too long | |
| 16:03 | willkg | zanoi: what mailing list? |
| 16:03 | zanoi | develop |
| 16:03 | willkg | zanoi: why is it waiting for moderator approval? |
| 16:03 | zanoi | because it's too long i think |
| 16:03 | willkg | it should tell you. |
| 16:04 | zanoi | Message body is too big: 89230 bytes with a limit of 40 KB |
| 16:04 | willkg | wow. you wrote 89K worth of stuff? that's a long email. |
| 16:04 | zanoi | it's because the resume thread is so long and i didn't delete the history |
| 16:04 | willkg | i have no idea who manages it. i also don't know how to figure it out. |
| 16:05 | maybe ask npr or dean and see if they know? | |
| 16:05 | zanoi | it said the same last time, and it took a long time before it went through |
| 16:06 | this time we don't have that much time though | |
| 16:06 | ok i'll ask npr | |
| 16:06 | or dean | |
| 16:06 | willkg | if you need it to go through now, i'd truncate the history and send it again. |
| 16:07 | CarlFK | or stick the blob of text in a paste bin |
| 16:07 | zanoi | that might be the best solution |
| 16:11 | sent it again now | |
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| 17:34 | willkg | bendk: i'm looking for some advice. |
| 17:35 | bendk: i'm working on the autodownload toggle button. i was thinking of creating three TitlebarButton instances--one for each state. then putting that in a hideablewidget (so folders work). then swapping the hideablewidget child depending on the state. | |
| 17:36 | bendk | ok |
| 17:36 | willkg | bendk: is that a terrible idea? should i create three hideablewidgets--one for each state? and then show the one that is relevant? |
| 17:36 | bendk | I don't think it's terrible, but I would try just creating 1 button first |
| 17:36 | willkg | another alternative is to make it so TitlebarButton can switch the text and image. |
| 17:36 | ok. i'll try that, first. | |
| 17:36 | bendk | that seems easier to me, you could have a state variable, and pick the icon in draw() |
| 17:37 | willkg | figured i'd ask before i started fiddling on the off chance that asking saves time. |
| 17:37 | * willkg | nods. |
| 17:37 | willkg | thanks! |
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| 18:02 | z3p | deardiary: about to update the Windows binary kit to include a new GTK theme |
| 18:12 | deardiary: Windows binary kit updated to 20110301 | |
| 18:27 | willkg: bendk: just checked in sidebar font stuff; it should be okay on GTK this time, but you can verify for yourselves | |
| 18:28 | willkg | z3p: wow--the fonts are bigger! |
| 18:28 | z3p | willkg: they're whatever your application fontsize is |
| 18:28 | willkg | z3p: works for me. :) |
| 18:28 | i'm only getting older.... | |
| 18:29 | bendk | looking forward to checking it out |
| 18:29 | willkg | z3p: but this looks like it's missing a lot of stuff that's in the mockups. are you still working on the sidebar ui bug? |
| 18:29 | z3p | willkg: yep |
| 18:29 | willkg: a lot of what's in the mockup isn't going to happen on linux | |
| 18:29 | willkg: I don't think the gradient is possible, for one | |
| 18:30 | * willkg | nods. |
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| 18:48 | willkg | we should get morgan to do mockups for the cli. that's in need of an overhaul, too. |
| 18:48 | one of these days, morgan is going to discover irc, hop on here, and kick my ass. ;) | |
| 18:56 | paulproteus: do you think you're going to do a mc 1.2 release this week? | |
| 18:56 | paulproteus | um um um |
| 18:56 | I want to say "yes" but, like, who knows. Let me get back to you in a day or two? | |
| 18:56 | willkg | i'm just looking for a ballpark "i'm almost done" or "i've probably got a couple more days of work to do." |
| 18:57 | paulproteus | Couple more days. |
| 18:57 | willkg | i noticed that the feeds don't have categories in them. so i'm tossing around creating a bug and fixing that. |
| 18:57 | ditto for tags. | |
| 18:57 | paulproteus | I don't quite understand the problem you're describing, but I am definitely open to landing patches for MC 1.2 in the next 2-3d. |
| 18:57 | willkg | it'll make some of the automation for PMC and PyCon 2011 easier. |
| 18:57 | paulproteus | 0-1d would be even nicer, but you know. |
| 18:59 | willkg | so, atom has entries and entries can have categories. but the atom feeds that MC produces don't have category tags in it. |
| 19:00 | mmm... as a side note, the atomenabled.org site sucks. i ended up finding the specs from wikipedia. | |
| 19:01 | ahh... an entry can have zero or more categories. | |
| 19:01 | i'll try to get it done today. working on miro stuff first, though. | |
| 19:03 | i'll write up a bug that explains the issue before doing any work. | |
| 19:08 | paulproteus | b |
| 19:13 | bendk | afk for a shower |
| 19:19 | willkg | also, i'm working on windows today, so i'm only sort of paying attention to irc and it's in spurts. |
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| 20:37 | zanoi | willkg, so is the deadline moved? |
| 20:37 | willkg | i don't know. clearly we didn't hit the codefreeze. we'll probably discuss where things are at tomorrow on the dev call. |
| 20:37 | i've been working on ui stuff. haven't had a chance to talk to npr. | |
| 20:40 | zanoi | ok, so i take it as that I won't have to push the magnet stuff today |
| 20:41 | but that we'll discuss stuff tomorrow | |
| 20:41 | willkg | zanoi: i'm not sure what you mean by that.... |
| 20:41 | zanoi | well magnet stuff isn't quite done yet, but everything except for 1 thing that's left could be classified as a bug |
| 20:42 | so if there was a codefreeze i would try to get that working and push a buggy version | |
| 20:42 | willkg | does "buggy" entail that it crashes? or is it just things that don't work, yet? |
| 20:42 | zanoi | nope, no crashes |
| 20:43 | wrong download filename, wrong displayed name etc. | |
| 20:43 | and browser magnets not working because of webkit bug | |
| 20:43 | * willkg | nods. |
| 20:44 | willkg | well, we're in overtime now. while we didn't hit the codefreeze, we should get things done as soon as we can. especially new features. |
| 20:44 | so... the sooner you get things squared up and checked in, the better. | |
| 20:44 | zanoi | ok |
| 20:45 | willkg | afk--baby.... |
| 20:45 | zanoi | so i will work on protocol support and when that works somewhat I just push it? |
| 20:51 | willkg | zanoi: probably best to break up the magnet uri support into "deliverables" and check in when you hit a deliverable. |
| 20:52 | zanoi: i'm not sure if that answers your question or not. you're in charge of that bug, so you should feel empowered to coordinate things as you think best. | |
| 20:52 | zanoi | ok, because that would mean i continue working on the downloader bugs and focus on protocol feature later |
| 20:53 | willkg | i don't know what the protocol feature is. so i can't comment on that. |
| 20:53 | zanoi | well protocol association, the only thing left that couldn't be classified as a bug |
| 20:54 | basically what i'm trying to find out if you prefer me to get the basics working completely bug-free or get a first version of the last missing feature | |
| 20:57 | willkg | what deliverables are outstanding on the bug? which ones do you think comprise a critical mass of functionality that's sufficient to check in? |
| 20:58 | i think answering those two questions should give you the answer you need. but i'm guessing--i'm not entirely sure why what i've said so far hasn't answered your inquiry. | |
| 20:58 | zanoi | well if i get the basics bug free i would have a deliverable |
| 20:58 | willkg | ok. sounds like that'd be a good time to check something in. |
| 20:58 | zanoi | but i understood the code freeze as meaning i should have all features ready even if they are buggy |
| 20:59 | willkg | yes. |
| 20:59 | and we've now passed that. | |
| 20:59 | zanoi | so that's why i am asking about the code freeze. Cause that would mean i should focus on the last missing feature instead on a deliverable |
| 21:00 | willkg | so earlier, i said, "we should get things done as soon as we can. especially new features." |
| 21:00 | then i said, "the sooner you get things squared up and checked in, the better." | |
| 21:01 | seems like you're asking what you should work on. but as near as i can tell, both options need to get done. | |
| 21:01 | so i'm not sure it matters which option you pick. | |
| 21:01 | zanoi | yes, and i'm wondering which of those two options you mentioned i should focus on |
| 21:01 | ah ok | |
| 21:01 | willkg | you're your own manager and you're in the best position to know that. |
| 21:02 | zanoi | sure, just wanted to know if there was anything you prefered |
| 21:02 | thanks | |
| 21:02 | * willkg | nods. |
| 21:02 | willkg | i preferred that we hit the codefreeze. but that didn't happen. |
| 21:03 | not hitting the codefreeze either forces us to rush testing (which is bad) or push off the release (which is also bad). | |
| 21:04 | zanoi | :-/ |
| 21:04 | willkg | but less talking about scheduling and more getting things done is prudent at this point. |
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| 21:05 | willkg | and hopefully we'll figure everything out on the dev call. |
| 21:05 | * zanoi | nods |
| 21:05 | willkg | maybe npr discovered time travel during one of his trips. |
| 21:06 | ajonas | that will definitely be in the miro movie |
| 21:07 | willkg | i was on this one project... actually, it might have been miro--i forget. |
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| 21:08 | willkg | anyhow, at one point we were pondering whether it'd be better to spend our efforts on biological cloning of the staff. it was like meta-work. |
| 21:08 | but then i think we decided we'd have to make them good clones and if we did that, they'd probably rise up against us and we'd still miss the release date. | |
| 21:09 | zanoi | yes, that's definitely a concern for the release |
| 21:10 | willkg | off to finish up the feed toolbar which is taking me way too long to work through. |
| 21:10 | zanoi | i wouldn't mind time travelling cloned super zanois |
| 21:10 | could we make that a P1? | |
| 21:15 | willkg | zanoi: go for it. :) |
| 21:15 | we can get morganknutson to design the controls for the time machine/cloning apparatus. | |
| 21:15 | zanoi | yay, they'd look awesome! |
| 21:16 | lets hope i get a first buggy zanoi working for the code freeze | |
| 21:17 | though zanois can't get much buggier than they already are | |
| 21:35 | willkg | nice--got my toggle button working. |
| 21:35 | afk a bit... | |
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| 21:57 | willkg | bendk: i got the autodownload toggle button working. it's nice. |
| 21:58 | bendk: i'm using a 3-second delay between the last time you hit the toggle button and when the change takes effect. do you think 3 seconds is good enough? | |
| 21:58 | bendk | cool, 3 secs sounds good tome |
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| 22:17 | willkg | it's checked in now. |
| 22:17 | i kind of like it. | |
| 22:17 | bendk | deardiary: still working on #15949 probably going to go into the night on this one |
| 22:17 | see you all later | |
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| 22:23 | willkg | deardiary: finished up as much of #16350 as I can do now. going to grab and work on bug #16432 now. |
| 22:25 | afk for a bit--need a break. | |
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| 22:33 | maggie_s | paulproteus: Hi! |
| 22:34 | paulproteus | Hi maggie_s! (-: |
| 22:34 | ajonas | hi maggie_s ! |
| 22:34 | maggie_s | ajonas: hi ajonas! |
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| 22:36 | maggie_s | paulproteus: I wonder why maggie-dot never tries to charge me when I'm upgrading, but always when I downgrade |
| 22:37 | paulproteus | maggie_s: Huh. |
| 22:38 | maggie_s: It has LOCALTV_SKIP_PAYPAL enabled. | |
| 22:38 | So probably SKIP_PAYPAL does the wrong thing for downgrades. | |
| 22:38 | maggie_s | paulproteus: perhaps - I always go through paypal when downgrading |
| 22:38 | paulproteus | I think that's the issue. If it would be helpful, I can fix SKIP_PAYPAL to work properly for downgrades. |
| 22:39 | Kind of surprising that it doesn't, but I guess that's the truth of it. | |
| 22:40 | maggie_s | paulproteus: Good. And, after we make sure it works properly, maybe it's better to set it to OFF? |
| 22:40 | paulproteus | Yeah, totally. |
| 22:40 | maggie_s | paulproteus: since we are testing MC with Paypal now |
| 22:40 | paulproteus | Yeah, is it okay if I just disable it? |
| 22:40 | (rather than fix it) | |
| 22:41 | maggie_s | paulproteus: that would be perfect, thanks! |
| 22:41 | paulproteus: do you have access to admin side at dalmatia? | |
| 22:42 | paulproteus: I think I got demoted accidentally and can't recover | |
| 22:42 | paulproteus | Eek, maggie_s! |
| 22:42 | maggie_s: I'll make you a superuser at dalmatia | |
| 22:42 | maggie_s | paulproteus: oh, thanks a lot! |
| 22:42 | paulproteus | maggie_s: Try now |
| 22:43 | maggie_s | paulproteus: that'll save a lot of trouble in the future |
| 22:44 | paulproteus: I'm still not an admin. Did you upgrade user margarita? | |
| 22:44 | paulproteus | No, I upgraded "maggie" |
| 22:45 | I'll do margarita | |
| 22:45 | Now retry | |
| 22:45 | maggie_s | paulproteus: Perfect! Thanks a lot! |
| 22:56 | willkg | afk for dinner... then the sources tab. |
| 23:00 | zanoi | willkg, you're our gnome wizard right? |
| 23:00 | i need some gnome wizardry advice | |
| 23:29 | or maybe not | |
| 23:40 | willkg | i'm back. |
| 23:40 | zanoi: what's up? | |
| 23:41 | zanoi | i got magnet protocol association to work by adding some lines to gconf |
| 23:41 | but i'm wondering, is there any policy for changing random stuff in gconf? | |
| 23:42 | and where in miro would we have that run? | |
| 23:42 | willkg, ^ | |
| 23:42 | willkg | zanoi: adding some lines to gconf--i'm not sure what that means. can you pastebin it? |
| 23:42 | zanoi | sure |
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| 23:44 | zanoi | willkg, i ran the following commands http://pastebin.kde.org/6182/ |
| 23:44 | willkg | mmm... so miro saves its configuration in gconf. so we could do this in python code rather than in the shell. |
| 23:44 | zanoi | yes |
| 23:45 | willkg | but, i'm not sure whether this is kosher or not. i don't know what the guidelines for these kinds of changes are. |
| 23:45 | zanoi | i've been looking at the preferences stuff, but i'm not sure where this belongs |
| 23:45 | as in gnome guidelines? | |
| 23:45 | willkg | i don't know. whatever kinds of guidelines this falls under. |
| 23:45 | zanoi | well, as opposed to miro guidelines i mean |
| 23:46 | willkg | right. |
| 23:46 | zanoi | also what's odd is that i haven't been able to find any program who does register iself for magnet links |
| 23:46 | even though some support them | |
| 23:47 | but maybe i just missed it | |
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| 23:48 | willkg | zanoi: deluge does it. with similar commands to what you did. |
| 23:49 | zanoi: http://dpaste.com/463350/ | |
| 23:49 | zanoi | really? in ubuntu 10.10? |
| 23:49 | * willkg | nods. |
| 23:49 | willkg | deluge 1.3.0. |
| 23:50 | zanoi | very odd, cause it didn't work in firefox |
| 23:50 | could you try if it works for you? | |
| 23:51 | go to youtorrent and click on a magnet link and see if it lists deluge? | |
| 23:51 | willkg | i don't have deluge installed--i only have the source code. |
| 23:51 | zanoi | ah, ok |
| 23:51 | nevermind then | |
| 23:51 | anyway, can we declare it kosher if deluge does it? | |
| 23:51 | willkg | sure. :) |
| 23:51 | zanoi | yay |
| 23:52 | willkg | that's only on linux, though. on windows we don't use gconf and (obviously) we don't use it on osx, either. |
| 23:53 | i mention it because windows is also a gtk/gnome-based ui. except for gconf stuff. | |
| 23:53 | zanoi | yes, i haven't looked into how to get it to work on windows yet |
| 23:53 | will do that once i have it working on linux | |
| 23:53 | * willkg | nods. |
| 23:54 | zanoi | so where would be the best place to add it? |
| 23:54 | willkg | i'm not sure where you'd put the gconf futzing code in miro. |
| 23:55 | maybe make it a new module in tv/linux/plat/ and call it from tv/linux/plat/frontends/widgets/application.py on startup. | |
| 23:55 | zanoi | ok |