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| 09:41 | janetPCF | hey glee, I know that sometimes I can get a bit convoluted in my descriptions of things, so please let me know if you need any more info for this play external bug. |
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| 11:59 | willkg | hi! |
| 12:11 | deardiary: running updates on the linux build box. | |
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| 12:40 | willkg | deardiary: 72 p1 bugs. this is ridiculous. going to spend the morning triaging things away. |
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| 13:42 | willkg | glee: when you take a bug, can you add a comment saying that you took the bug and maybe what you were thinking at the time? |
| 13:42 | glee: it makes it a lot easier to manage the project and triage when people write comments when they do things. | |
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| 14:04 | willkg | zanoi: i'm really sorry. i keep forgetting you're in another timezone. given that, feel free to define "today" however you want. |
| 14:05 | zanoi: i didn't intend to force you to work through the night or anything. | |
| 14:05 | afk a bit to edit some stuff. | |
| 14:07 | zanoi | willkg, I'm officially in CET but I'm currently living as if I was in the EST timezone |
| 14:09 | a bit like this: http://xkcd.com/448/ | |
| 14:13 | willkg, wouldn't removing magnet protocol association be a packaging thing on Linux? | |
| 14:14 | willkg | zanoi: it depends on how you implemented it. i thought you said you implemented it in code. |
| 14:15 | zanoi | yes, but when you uninstall no code gets executed |
| 14:15 | willkg | right. |
| 14:15 | zanoi | unfortunately I don't know anything about packaging :/ |
| 14:16 | willkg | that's fine. but you'll need to write code to undo whatever you did in the code. |
| 14:16 | zanoi | well you just have to delete the gconf keys if miro is associated |
| 14:17 | so should I write some code to undo it and we'll take it from there? | |
| 14:17 | willkg | yes. |
| 14:17 | zanoi | k |
| 14:18 | janetPCF1 | willkg: thanks for the kick in the bugs - some were hiding in my giant bugzilla list and I've been meaning to dig them out and comment |
| 14:19 | zanoi | willkg, also I'm not sure how much work it would be to add that to the Windows installer, but I'll have a look |
| 14:19 | willkg | janetPCF1: yeah. there were a lot of bugs. |
| 14:19 | janetPCF1: i wanted to see how many of them were "fishing expeditions" and how many of them were "feature creep". | |
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| 14:29 | zanoi | willkg, so do you agree that I add .oga and .ogv as unreliable extensions? |
| 14:30 | willkg | zanoi: i don't think it matters. yes, they're ogg containers and we can't guarantee that what's inside is what the extension suggests, but i've never seen an oga that wasn't audio or an ogv that wasn't video. |
| 14:31 | the bigger issue is that .ogg was used for ogg vorbis files for a long time before ogg theora was being used. then the conventions changed and that's the bulk of the ambiguity. | |
| 14:32 | zanoi | yes. It's the technically correct way though, but there are problems no matter which way you do it. |
| 14:33 | yes, the main problem is .ogg | |
| 14:33 | willkg | i can't tell if you're asking for my opinion or trying to convince me of something. |
| 14:33 | zanoi | I was just wondering if you had any strong opinions on it since you seemed very much against me setting file_type to audio for .oga's |
| 14:33 | but since you don't seem to mind i'll just add it all | |
| 14:34 | willkg | no... i had a strong opinion on messing with stuff in the database where miro has already done things. |
| 14:34 | that's different. | |
| 14:34 | zanoi | it had never done anything I think because .oga's weren't registered before |
| 14:44 | oh, are we still using the democracy player name for all registry stuff? | |
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| 14:51 | willkg | zanoi: where do you see "democracyplayer" being used for registry things? |
| 14:52 | zanoi: are you talking about on Windows? | |
| 14:52 | zanoi | yes |
| 14:52 | nevermind, I don't think it matters anyway for what I have to do | |
| 14:53 | willkg | miro doesn't use the windows registry. configure is stored in a config ini file. |
| 14:53 | er, configuration. | |
| 14:53 | zanoi | it does use the registry to register extensions though |
| 14:54 | willkg | right... so the association is between the extension and the miro.exe executable, right? |
| 14:55 | i can't tell if you're asking me where things are or if you're saying that we are storing things in democracyplayer related keys in the windows registry. | |
| 14:57 | zanoi | the second one, but never mind |
| 14:58 | willkg | i'm almost positive we're not doing that. if you see places where we are, we should fix that. |
| 14:58 | we definitely don't want to associate file extensions to non-existent executables. | |
| 14:59 | zanoi | well I say the string "DemocracyPlayer" being used in the file registration, but it could be it just checks for it for backwards compatibility, I don't really get the NSIS lanuage |
| 14:59 | *saw | |
| 15:00 | willkg | what file? what line? |
| 15:00 | zanoi | Miro.nsi:426 |
| 15:01 | I think it's fine | |
| 15:01 | glee | willkg: Oh for those bugs I just staked a claim, haven't really looked at them yet. I could write something there next time. |
| 15:01 | willkg | glee: please do. otherwise i have no idea why you did what you did. |
| 15:02 | glee | willkg: ok, sure |
| 15:02 | willkg | incidentally, this is true of everything. whenever you do something, you should leave a comment so there's a paper trail that other people can point to and know what happened and why. |
| 15:03 | that's good habits for working on free software projects. | |
| 15:03 | zanoi | could someone who knows anything about the Windows installer have a look at 1ba59bd and tell me whether that is the right way to add extension support? z3p1? |
| 15:04 | willkg | zanoi: you have a windows vm, right? did it work when you tested it? |
| 15:05 | zanoi | I think it would take a very long time to test and that would still not make sure this was the right way, but I can do that now. |
| 15:06 | willkg | should be easy to test. you just install miro and see if it gets associated with .oga files and friends. that's ... 10 minutes? |
| 15:06 | or is there more involved? | |
| 15:06 | zanoi | i would have thought much longer, we'll see :) |
| 15:07 | willkg | definitely doesn't take 10 minutes to install miro. so i'm puzzled. |
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| 15:15 | zanoi | still waiting for the windows miro git update with my slow internet :/ |
| 15:18 | willkg | why not just pull from a local clone? |
| 15:18 | that's what i do when i'm testing things between multiple computers/vms. | |
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| 15:20 | zanoi | oh, good idea. |
| 15:21 | willkg | makes it easy to bounce around patches that you haven't pushed to g.p.o., yet, too. |
| 15:22 | glee | janetPCF: Re 16627, I can't read … I'll go take a look at the others, I think I have enough to go on to fix it, thanks. |
| 15:25 | willkg | ajonas: any idea when mc 1.2 is going to get pushed out? |
| 15:25 | ajonas: i ask because while i'm doing a lot to get around not being able to use bulk edit, it's pretty debilitating. | |
| 15:27 | ajonas | willkg: i would like it to be tomorrow, but i really won't know until i talk to paulproteus |
| 15:27 | zanoi | yay, it works. Would still like to know whether the implementation is correct though |
| 15:28 | willkg | ajonas: yay! |
| 15:29 | ajonas | willkg: the main concern right now is making sure bulk edit actually works |
| 15:29 | willkg: because if we shipped it without that, i don't think it would help very much. | |
| 15:29 | willkg | zanoi: the code looks ok. at a bare minimum, it follows how other extensions are associated. so if it tests fine, then it's very likely fine. |
| 15:29 | ajonas: very true! | |
| 15:30 | ajonas | willkg: right now (on the dev sites) it loads quickly, but sometimes fails to save, which i imagine would be even more annoying. |
| 15:30 | zanoi | i'll close the bug then |
| 15:31 | willkg | ajonas: possibly. i can't really use it right now without getting http 500 errors and page timeouts. i have to delete the video and re-submit it. |
| 15:31 | ajonas | willkg: what are you trying to do? |
| 15:31 | willkg: | |
| 15:31 | (mistake) | |
| 15:32 | willkg | ajonas: well, so we did pycon 2011. i'm posting videos of the conference. bulk edit is the _only_ place where i can edit the embed code and video url unless i reject the video and re-submit it. |
| 15:32 | ajonas | willkg: i know that bulk edit is the only place to change the embed code, but how does rejecting and resubmitting (as opposed to leaving the videos in the review queue) help? |
| 15:33 | willkg | ajonas: well, if i leave it in the review queue, it doesn't get posted.... |
| 15:33 | ajonas | willkg: right, but if you resubmit it, how does that fix your problem? |
| 15:33 | willkg | ajonas: plus, i can't actually see the video with the universal subtitles embed code in the review queue. i can only see it after i've approved the video. |
| 15:33 | ajonas: because i can change the embed code and the file url when i re-submit it. | |
| 15:34 | ajonas | willkg: i see, so you don't know the problem you need to fix when you originally submit |
| 15:35 | willkg | ajonas: so i inevitably have to fix things. in order to fix things, i can't use bulk edit because it doesn't work. the only way to fix things is to reject the video, fix the embed code and the file url in my slurp script, add my slurp script as a new source, have it import the video, and then approve it to see if it's working. |
| 15:35 | ajonas: it's like playing twister with MC. | |
| 15:36 | ajonas: so when i was saying "submit a video", i'm not actually using the "submit a video" button because that doesn't let you specify everything either. | |
| 15:36 | ajonas | willkg: yep, i understand now. |
| 15:36 | willkg: what doesn't submit a video let you specify? | |
| 15:37 | willkg | ajonas: because someone programmed it that way? |
| 15:37 | ajonas | willkg: one work around is to use a URL where we don't auto-scrape things |
| 15:37 | willkg | ajonas: oh... i can't specify the embed code or the file url. this is really all about those. |
| 15:37 | ajonas | willkg: i don't understand - are you answering a why wuestion? |
| 15:37 | *question | |
| 15:37 | willkg: you actually can specify those if you use a non-blip or youtube or vimeo url | |
| 15:37 | willkg | ajonas: ok. so in order to use a url that doesn't get auto-scraped (this one does), i have to set up a script or something. |
| 15:38 | i'm still doing about the same amount of work. | |
| 15:38 | and still playing twister with MC. | |
| 15:38 | ajonas | willkg: ok, i'm just trying to help. |
| 15:38 | * willkg | nods. |
| 15:38 | zanoi | willkg, so i tried uninstalling miro on Windows and it didn't dissasociate from any extension :-S |
| 15:38 | willkg | zanoi: right. that's an existing bug. |
| 15:38 | zanoi: further, you can't re-associate or de-associate after you've installed. pretty sure that's a bug, too. | |
| 15:39 | zanoi | are they on bugzilla? |
| 15:39 | willkg | zanoi: probably. i don't know the bug numbers offhand. it's not something we're doing for 4.0. |
| 15:40 | zanoi | willkg, I don't quite understand why magnet protocol dissasociation is a P1 for 4.0 but dissasociation miro from all video/music files isn't :-S |
| 15:40 | *disassociationg | |
| 15:41 | *disassociating | |
| 15:41 | willkg | zanoi: what's the magnet protocol disassociation bug number? |
| 15:41 | zanoi | 16744 |
| 15:41 | should I change it to post 4.0? | |
| 15:42 | willkg | zanoi: ok. so you should ask yourself because you made it a p1 for 4.0. |
| 15:42 | all i did was comment on the bug. | |
| 15:43 | zanoi | well I understood it back then after talking on IRC as you wanting it for 4.0, if that's not the case I can change it |
| 15:43 | although I do consider it important, but I also consider other disassociation important | |
| 15:43 | willkg | i have no recollection of that. are you sure i was asking for it for all three platforms? |
| 15:44 | zanoi | no definitely not, we don't have to do anything on OS X. And I've been mostly talking about Windows disassociation with you |
| 15:45 | willkg | ok. so that bug is for all platforms. |
| 15:45 | so... i don't know what to tell you. | |
| 15:46 | zanoi | I'd say I have a look at how much work it is and then decide whether to delay it or not |
| 15:48 | * willkg | nods. |
| 15:48 | z3p1 | willkg: so I bought I nookcolor over the weekend |
| 15:48 | z3p1 is now known as z3p | |
| 15:49 | willkg | z3p: nice! |
| 15:49 | z3p: it's mildly useless until you root it. then it's much more useful. | |
| 15:49 | z3p | willkg: I didn't even play with the regular OS |
| 15:50 | willkg | ha! |
| 15:50 | z3p | willkg: just put cyanogenmod on it |
| 15:50 | willkg | i can't remember which one i did. it was some autonooter thing. |
| 15:50 | z3p | actually, I tried one of the honeycomb builds too, but it's buggy right now |
| 15:50 | * willkg | nods. |
| 15:51 | willkg | oh man! it's snowing outside! dammit! i thought we were passed that by now. |
| 16:27 | afk a bit to grab food. | |
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| 17:10 | willkg | CarlFK: i just removed and re-added my slurp script as a source. no clue why PMC didn't poll it last night. |
| 17:10 | CarlFK: so there are a ton of pycon 2011 videos in the review queue. | |
| 17:11 | CarlFK: i've got a lot of work to do today, so i'll have to get to it tonight. i'll probably do them in batches of 10 or 20 over the next week. | |
| 17:15 | CarlFK | willkg: there are 8 in my encode/post pipe. but I wouldn't mind re-encoding the first 50ish - they used the older theora codec, which doesn't look as good, so if I can get them replaced before they get UniSub-ed... good. |
| 17:15 | willkg | CarlFK: mmm..... ok. |
| 17:15 | CarlFK: you're making it really difficult for me to juggle things, though. | |
| 17:16 | CarlFK: will they end up with the same exact file url from blip.tv? | |
| 17:16 | CarlFK | yeah - I am considering just ignoring that |
| 17:16 | willkg | if they have the exact file url, then it's easy. |
| 17:16 | CarlFK | no... new uplodads get a new NNN added to the url |
| 17:16 | willkg | if they don't, then i should toss all the things in the review queue now, wait for you to do your stuff, and then build a new review queue. |
| 17:17 | CarlFK | I think that would be good |
| 17:17 | willkg | ok. i'm game for doing this. i'll just wipe the review queue and wait until you tell me you're happy with all the ogv videos posted. |
| 17:17 | that gives me more time for work work today. | |
| 17:17 | CarlFK | yeah, that's what tipped the ballence :) |
| 17:18 | willkg | :) |
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| 18:09 | willkg | ajonas: as a side note, i'm really sorry about whining about MC problems. i didn't intend for my "when's mc 1.2 coming out?" question to balloon into a long-winded whinging session. |
| 18:09 | ajonas | willkg: no worries! it's good to know where the problem spots are and how much trouble they're causing |
| 18:57 | bendk | willkg: awesome suggestion about going through my bug list! |
| 18:57 | I've closed more tickets today than in the last 2 weeks :) | |
| 19:04 | paulproteus | deardiary: Working on the "last" of the MC 1.2 P1 bugs. |
| 19:04 | Gosh I hope so! | |
| 19:09 | bendk | willkg: is the CC-license code still somewhere in the codebase? |
| 19:28 | willkg | bendk: it'd be in git history. |
| 19:29 | bendk: also, it may have changed over the years. but i'm pretty sure what i outlined is what nathan and i implemented. it'd be in like 2008 or 2009 or so. | |
| 19:29 | bendk | I couldn't find it in git |
| 19:29 | maybe it's from subversion?? | |
| 19:29 | but it's no big deal, I think we're okay for 4.0 | |
| 19:31 | willkg | bendk: it's probably in portable/ ... probably in item.py. |
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| 20:33 | * paulproteus | starts work on the terrifying http://bugzilla.pculture.org/s[…]_bug.cgi?id=16729 |
| 20:33 | paulproteus | deardiary: /me gulps |
| 20:49 | willkg: http://bugzilla.pculture.org/s[…]_bug.cgi?id=16763 is one of the sanity bugs that I would love help with. | |
| 20:49 | I don't know your Bugzilla email address, I'm surprised to say (after a few tries). | |
| 20:50 | willkg | will.guaraldi pculture.org |
| 20:50 | it's got two things going for it: 1) i never use it other than in bugzilla, and 2) it uses my "maiden" name. | |
| 20:50 | it's like paulproteus. | |
| 20:50 | paulproteus | b |
| 20:56 | deardiary: The PayPal sandbox still drives me nuts. | |
| 20:57 | ajonas | paulproteus: almost done with it... |
| 20:57 | * paulproteus | nods solemnly. |
| 21:01 | paulproteus | ajonas: I am having trouble reproducing http://bugzilla.pculture.org/s[…]_bug.cgi?id=16729 but now will try even harder. |
| 21:02 | * paulproteus | is using dalmatia as the test dummy. |
| 21:02 | ajonas | paulproteus: anne. is still stuck at premium though it should be at max, fwiw |
| 21:02 | paulproteus | ajonas: Oh, that's great to hear. |
| 21:02 | I will check into that site. | |
| 21:06 | ajonas | mattjohnson: i'm creating a new pivotal project for general MC tasks, is that a good way to track? |
| 21:07 | mattjohnson | ajonas: yep sounds good to me |
| 21:07 | ajonas | mattjohnson: cool |
| 21:07 | mattjohnson | navigating between projects in PT is easy enough |
| 21:07 | ajonas | mattjohnson: let me know if you need more prioritization details between the different projects |
| 21:18 | paulproteus | ajonas: omg I think http://bugzilla.pculture.org/s[…]_bug.cgi?id=16729 is resolved. |
| 21:19 | ajonas | paulproteus: i saw, nice! i can test it now |
| 21:25 | paulproteus: i think it works, but it should probably be tested more | |
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| 22:30 | willkg | bendk1: that last checkin you just did has a bunch of print statements in it. |
| 22:31 | bendk1: plus, i'm a little worried. the check_for_empty_lists covers two different situations: when there are no items in the list (no videos, no music, ...) but also when the user is searching and there are no results. | |
| 22:31 | bendk1: i was kind of abusing it for the latter purpose. | |
| 22:31 | bendk1: does it still work correctly? we shouldn't be showing "No Results" if the list is empty and the user hasn't done a search. | |
| 22:32 | bendk1: ahh... it doesn't work correctly. | |
| 22:33 | bendk1: so... you need to either back out that empty list change, or reimplement the No Results thing so that it shows up at the correct times. | |
| 22:36 | bendk1: i made a comment in the bug and reopened it. | |
| 22:44 | afk for a bit to get dinner. | |
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| 23:56 | willkg | deardiary: working on 16761: crash clicking change on import media dialog. |
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