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| Time | Nick | Message |
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| 00:00 | willkg | zanoi: i'm only here for a minute, but it's _never_ a good idea to throw away an exception and raise another one with zero information in it. that's terrible terrible terrible. |
| 00:00 | zanoi | willkg, i know, that is changed |
| 00:00 | sorry about that | |
| 00:00 | willkg | zanoi: i have no idea what the problem is. so beyond that, i can't tell you what it should be doing. |
| 00:01 | anyhow... afk for a bit. | |
| 00:01 | zanoi | i wrote about it in the comment |
| 00:01 | willkg | zanoi: er, write up something in the bug. i'm cc:d on it, so i'll see it. |
| 00:01 | ok. good. i'll reply to it later, then. | |
| 00:01 | afk. | |
| 00:02 | zanoi | also i wrote in the magnet bug comments that it needs testing on non XP systems :-( |
| 00:02 | so i thought that had happened | |
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| 13:30 | willkg | hi! |
| 13:31 | rrr.... took me an hour to finally get past the "ssl handshake timeout". | |
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| 14:04 | paulproteus | rrr ssl |
| 14:04 | ssl everywhere? baloney | |
| 14:04 | ssl NOWHERE | |
| 14:18 | willkg | has anyone seen kaz in the last couple of days? anyone know where he is or whether something is wrong? |
| 14:18 | zanoi_ | he did comment on my bug |
| 14:19 | and on irc | |
| 14:19 | willkg | when was that? |
| 14:20 | zanoi_ | yesterday |
| 14:20 | oh, maybe not on irc. Only a bug comment. | |
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| 14:44 | bendk | zanoi: you around? |
| 14:49 | willkg: when you add that large watched folder, does miro grind to a halt for you? | |
| 14:49 | willkg | bendk: not really. it seem to just hum along nicely. |
| 14:49 | bendk: it's definitely doing work, but it's all mutagen-related and not gst_extractor related. | |
| 14:49 | bendk | it kills mine |
| 14:49 | maybe because it's my main HD not an external | |
| 14:49 | it sort of felt like it was disk IO that was the issue | |
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| 14:54 | zanoi_ | bendk, yes |
| 14:55 | bendk | nevermind |
| 14:55 | zanoi_ | ok |
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| 14:57 | zanoi_ | should I create create *simple* images myself or should I let morgan do it? |
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| 15:00 | zanoi_ | willkg, ^ |
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| 15:12 | z3p | zanoi_: what are you making images for? |
| 15:13 | zanoi_ | to get an orange buble |
| 15:13 | *bubble | |
| 15:13 | willkg | zanoi_: i'm a -1 on making placeholder images because then it's not obvious they still need to be replaced. |
| 15:13 | zanoi_: better to get morgan to do it. | |
| 15:14 | bendk | very weird, I'm pretty positive I added a change that would have fixed #16810, but I can't see ti |
| 15:15 | that's scary | |
| 15:17 | z3p | zanoi_: I'm with will; just use a regular button or obvious text and tag morgan with 'needs-design' |
| 15:18 | zanoi_ | ok |
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| 15:28 | willkg | bendk: if bug 16810 is hard to reproduce, then it's possible it's an edge case and we can defer it. |
| 15:29 | bendk | I have the fix |
| 15:29 | willkg | bendk: oh, cool! |
| 15:29 | bendk: i can test to see if it fixes it if you need me to. | |
| 15:29 | bendk | I'm pretty sure this isn't deja vu |
| 15:29 | but maybe it is, because I remember already checking it in | |
| 15:33 | zanoi_ | willkg, I actually didn't mean creating placeholder images, but that since the image only needs a color change, and I know the exact color it would be hard to get wrong |
| 15:33 | but I've flagged morgan now to do it | |
| 15:34 | willkg | zanoi_: oh, you said "create simple images" which i inferred as meaning placeholder images. if you're 100% positive you can do the image work, go for it. |
| 15:36 | zanoi_ | i'll have a look |
| 15:37 | willkg | zanoi_: i'll get that error for you for 16880 now. |
| 15:38 | zanoi_ | thanks |
| 15:39 | I think I'll let morgan handle the images just to be sure | |
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| 15:43 | z3p | I'm heading out to the gym early today; I'll be back in 90m or so |
| 15:44 | zanoi_ | glhf |
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| 15:46 | willkg | i'm kind of losing track of things. is anyone else waiting on me to do something? |
| 15:46 | z3p, bendk, zanoi, zanoi_, paulproteus, morganknutson: ^^^ | |
| 15:46 | bendk | I'm not |
| 15:47 | zanoi_ | willkg, only the error you just mentioned |
| 15:48 | willkg | ok. i'm going to go back to working on the upsize conversion issue again. |
| 15:48 | and that's on another computer, so ping me if you need me. | |
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| 15:49 | bendk | willkg: I have no clue on what to do for 16880 |
| 15:50 | willkg | someone was dealing with UAC issues at one point, but i forget who it was. |
| 15:51 | zanoi_ | do we know for sure whether it is a UAC issue? |
| 15:51 | willkg | bendk: i'll test that watched folder issue right now. |
| 15:51 | zanoi_: i added a bug comment. it's an access issue. i'm assuming that either should trigger a UAC thingy or is related to a UAC thingy but don't know for sure. | |
| 15:51 | zanoi_: in the meantime, i've been calling it a UAC thing. i should really be more general and call it a "stupid windows 'security' thing". | |
| 15:52 | but calling it that suggests too much about how i really think about it. | |
| 15:52 | zanoi_ | willkg, oh sorry. I somehow missed your newest bug comment :-( |
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| 17:28 | z3p | paulproteus: I got 16 e-mails from Miro Community about your changes |
| 17:28 | paulproteus | z3p: I hope you enjoy the high-quality emails that ajonas and I put together! |
| 17:28 | z3p | paulproteus: I do! I think most of them are multiple admin sites, since I don't actually run any sites |
| 17:30 | ooh, no, I got one real one | |
| 17:30 | for the totally deletable paul.m.o | |
| 17:32 | ajonas | z3p: in the beginning they were all attributable to you |
| 17:32 | z3p: so actually we should watch out for that | |
| 17:33 | z3p | ajonas: I don't need to be an admin on any site |
| 17:33 | ajonas | and not limit sites to only z3p that he doesn't run! |
| 17:33 | z3p: *nod* | |
| 17:33 | z3p | really, I don't need an account anywhere anymore |
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| 17:55 | willkg | bendk: your fix totally fixes my "doing a search in a watched folder changes the playing item" problem. |
| 17:55 | bendk: thanks! | |
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| 18:48 | z3p | willkg: for your new ticket, did you have to click on one of the device tabs before the crash showed up? |
| 18:48 | willkg: or was it immediate? | |
| 18:48 | willkg | z3p: pretty sure it was immediate. it's possible i had to click on a device tab. |
| 18:49 | z3p: given that i had to click a gazillion times on "ignore", i'm not excited about repeating it. | |
| 18:49 | z3p | willkg: okay, I'll play around with it |
| 18:49 | willkg | z3p: it's also possible that it's because of bad data in the .miro on the external drive. |
| 18:49 | z3p: is the "database" in .miro on the external drive versioned with a schema version or something like that? do we do upgrades on those "databases"? | |
| 18:50 | z3p: unfortunately, i just wiped out the .miro directory, so i don't know what was in there. i could probably reproduce it, though. | |
| 18:50 | z3p | willkg: no, and no |
| 18:50 | willkg: I haven't changed anything, just added things | |
| 18:50 | willkg | z3p: oh... scratch that. i just reproduced the problem with a fresh .miro . |
| 18:51 | z3p | willkg: okay, should be easy for me to reproduce |
| 18:51 | willkg | z3p: this time, i enabled looking at devices and drives, then waited a while (while talking to you), then clicked on the Music tab for the device, then about 10 seconds later, the crashes started happening. |
| 18:52 | z3p: ping me if you need me to run other tests for you. | |
| 18:52 | i'll be pressing the Ignore button for a few minutes.... :( | |
| 18:52 | z3p | willkg: 'killall -9 miro.real' |
| 18:52 | willkg | well, yeah, i could do that. but i want to listen to my music. :) |
| 18:55 | z3p | willkg: huh, I get a different KeyError; this one is going to be fun |
| 18:57 | willkg | back to rhythmbox for music, i guess. |
| 19:00 | z3p | willkg: too bad these miro people can't write working software :( |
| 19:01 | willkg | heh. i'm sure it'll work again tomorrow. |
| 19:01 | i can't tell if my external drive usage is a weird use case or not, yet. | |
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| 19:02 | willkg | as a side note, i've been waiting to download the SXSW 2011 stuff because that'll probably add another 4-8GB of data to my external drive. |
| 19:09 | zanoi_ | willkg, the import media dialog is really hard for me to use correctly, since I intuitively always misunderstand the buttons. Should I write up a bug about it? |
| 19:10 | willkg | zanoi_: no. there's already a bug for it. |
| 19:10 | zanoi_ | oh sorry |
| 19:10 | willkg | zanoi_: http://bugzilla.pculture.org/s[…]_bug.cgi?id=16873 |
| 19:10 | no worries. we talked about this on the conference call and nick said he'd figure out how to make it better. | |
| 19:10 | zanoi_ | great. |
| 19:11 | willkg | i haven't gotten to it, yet. but it's at the front of my queue after i finish conversion upsize issues. |
| 19:11 | zanoi_ | are there any bugs I can take? |
| 19:11 | willkg | check the p1 list assigned to admin. |
| 19:11 | zanoi_ | it's pretty much empty |
| 19:12 | willkg | then talk to kaz, bendk, z3p and glee . i want to keep the ones on my list--they're all in some state of being worked on. |
| 19:12 | i think kaz has most of the p1 bugs right now. that's one of the reasons it's a pain in the ass that i have no idea what's going on with him: no status report, didn't say anything during the dev call (technical problems), and hasn't been on irc. | |
| 19:13 | zanoi_ | there a 3 admin bugs, 2 seem to have stalled on some questions and one is the DnD bug which I just had a look at and didn't get anywhere |
| 19:13 | i inserted a print statement in every method in drag and drop, reproduced it but nothing... | |
| 19:14 | willkg | where are you at with 16880? |
| 19:15 | zanoi_ | I could try and research the security thing, but since I don't have Vista that would be very hard for me to fix. So it might be best to just ignore it as you say in the bug but for that we should make sure that nobody knows how to fix it |
| 19:16 | ignore = "disable the association funtionality in Vista" | |
| 19:16 | willkg | bendk doesn't know how to fix it, either. |
| 19:16 | he said so on IRC earlier, though he didn't add a comment to the bug report. | |
| 19:16 | zanoi_ | should I work on disabling it then? |
| 19:17 | willkg | i think we should fix it the way i suggested. |
| 19:17 | zanoi_ | ok |
| 19:17 | willkg | might be interesting to see if there's another registry key that we can use. |
| 19:18 | zanoi_ | i can have a look |
| 19:19 | kaz, bendk, z3p and glee, any bugs for me? | |
| 19:19 | willkg | fixing 16880 is important. it's blocking me from doing miro on windows work. |
| 19:19 | that's why i made it a blocker. | |
| 19:21 | z3p | zanoi_: the only thing I can think of (which jist came to me) is opening the key with KEY_READ_VALUE, or whatever the constant is |
| 19:29 | zanoi_ | right. Not sure why I'm using SET_VALUE in is_associated |
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| 19:30 | zanoi_ | but we still wouldn't be able to set the association. But people could do it by hand I guess |
| 19:30 | gotto run, bbl | |
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| 20:26 | willkg | bendk: you on? have you talked with kaz, yet? |
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| 20:33 | z3p | deardiary: don't use 'is' and 'is not' for string comparisons |
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| 20:57 | * willkg | sighs. |
| 21:07 | bendk | hey willkg |
| 21:07 | sorry was gone | |
| 21:08 | haven't heard anything | |
| 21:13 | willkg | ok. |
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| 21:25 | willkg | mmm... i thought i'd be able to switch to winxp and get things working with that, but my winxp vm isn't working. |
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| 21:31 | willkg | ugh. turns out i haven't used my winxp vm in months. it's using my old build environment set up. total ick. |
| 21:32 | deardiary: still working on conversion upsizing. trying to test on all platforms but running into blocking issues on vista. boo. hiss. | |
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| 22:16 | zanoi | willkg, could you try uninstalling Miro in Vista at some point. We're also accessing the registry there. |
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| 22:34 | willkg | zanoi: i can't get it to run right now. can you fix it so i can get it to run first? |
| 22:34 | zanoi | sure, working on it |
| 22:39 | what is the best way in Miro to find out whether we are running Vista? | |
| 22:40 | willkg | zanoi: why do you ask? |
| 22:41 | zanoi | because I'm thinking we should ignore access denied exceptions on Vista for registry keys which we can't access on Vista |
| 22:42 | willkg | in general or for the specific problem with associating magnet links? |
| 22:42 | zanoi | for magnet links |
| 22:43 | willkg | my vote is that if you encounter windowserror code 5, you log something and ignore it. |
| 22:43 | i really don't want to get into windows version checking. | |
| 22:44 | zanoi | i was thinking that, but then we would get 10 access denied errors on every start of miro on Vista |
| 22:44 | *errors in the log | |
| 22:44 | willkg | it's best not to overengineer this. it's better to implement the simplest thing we can do and add a big comment so whoever looks at it in the future knows what the context is. |
| 22:44 | zanoi | ok, i'll do that then |
| 22:54 | willkg | i just landed a bunch of "don't upsize you ninny" code in master. it seems ok, but if anyone incurs problems with conversions, let me know. |
| 22:54 | afk for a bit to get dinner. | |
| 23:10 | zanoi | willkg, faking WindowsError exceptions seems somewhat complicated. Would it be ok if I commit that untested? |
| 23:12 | and then you test it on Vista | |
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