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| 02:01 | zanoi | kcw1, you there? |
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| 02:39 | kcw1 | zanoi: what's up |
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| 02:43 | zanoi | kcw, nevermind, I wrote it as a bug comment now and closed the bug. Just reopen bug 16861 if necessary. |
| 02:44 | kcw | k, I just saw the bug. I don't see any reason for that field to be for videos only, but I don't feel strongly about it either way |
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| 11:54 | glee | deardiary: #16807 |
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| 12:48 | willkg | hi! |
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| 13:46 | willkg | z3p: looks like i filed the bug report minutes before you got yours in. (16934 and 16935). |
| 13:46 | z3p | willkg: whoops! I'll close mine |
| 13:46 | willkg | z3p: and they're virtually identical. same analysis and everything. |
| 13:46 | no need for a whoops. | |
| 13:53 | z3p | has anyone upgraded to the natty beta? |
| 13:55 | willkg | i've fiddled with it occasionally in a vm over the last couple of months. |
| 13:55 | however, i'm pretty sure unity does a fallback mode or something like that when run in a virtualbox vm. | |
| 13:55 | it releases soon. i figured i'd just upgrade to natty and then see what needs fixing. | |
| 13:57 | z3p: have you tried the beta? | |
| 13:57 | z3p | willkg: no; figured I'd ask around to see if anyone else had tried it :) |
| 13:58 | * willkg | nods. |
| 14:01 | willkg | according to their release schedule, it's going to release on april 28th. |
| 14:01 | z3p | wow, cutting it a bit close |
| 14:01 | willkg | the last time i checked, Miro ran fine on it. but Miro definitely doesn't support appindicator and doesn't support Unity things. though i don't know exactly what that entails, yet. |
| 14:05 | afk a smidge to get some food. | |
| 14:05 | and put some lotion on... my face feels like it's going to fall off. | |
| 14:05 | and that would be weird. | |
| 14:30 | zanoi | do we have plans to support appindicator? |
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| 14:33 | bendk | good morning all |
| 14:33 | zanoi | morning |
| 14:33 | willkg | zanoi: it's in my queue of things to work on as an extension. it's ubuntu-only, so it's not really useful to other distributions. |
| 14:33 | zanoi: i have a half-written extension already, but i'm pretty sure it doesn't work. | |
| 14:34 | zanoi | i know, but ubuntu is probably a bigger part of our userbase than all other distributions put together |
| 14:34 | yay, great | |
| 14:35 | willkg | it's hard to know for sure. |
| 14:36 | zanoi | and appindicator should be supported in kubuntu as well i think |
| 14:36 | willkg | zanoi: can you double-check that? |
| 14:38 | zanoi | sure |
| 14:39 | haven't been using kubuntu for a while now, shame on me | |
| 14:39 | willkg | as a side note, the app indicator support bug is 12950. |
| 14:39 | zanoi | thx |
| 14:39 | willkg | i'll add the current status to it now. |
| 14:39 | zanoi | also, i have plans to write lots of extensions once I find the time.. |
| 14:42 | bendk | willkg: so I'm checking out that FIXME comment in the addfilesdialog |
| 14:42 | when I change align_bottom to align_top, I can't see a difference on linux | |
| 14:43 | willkg | bendk: right. it looks fine on linux. it's on osx that the problem lies. |
| 14:43 | bendk | okay, that's probably a mac issue |
| 14:43 | willkg | bendk: for some reason the "expand=True" stuff in the fake label isn't forcing the buttons to the bottom. |
| 14:43 | bendk | I'm guessing it's now the window's content widget |
| 14:43 | works | |
| 14:43 | willkg | bendk: if you can figure that out and make it less asstastic, that'd be great. |
| 14:43 | bendk | looking now |
| 14:44 | willkg | if not, then it works as is, so we can leave it. |
| 14:44 | and it's totally weird that the first time dialog doesn't have this problem. | |
| 14:44 | my best guess is that it's some difference between MainWindow and DialogWindow. | |
| 14:46 | bendk | probably |
| 14:46 | and the difference is on the 1st page and the searching page right? | |
| 14:46 | the other "go" buttons open up other dialogs | |
| 14:46 | by the way, I'm not a fan of "go" either | |
| 14:47 | willkg | so there are three "pages": choice, search, and results. |
| 14:47 | search and results are almost identical and should be folded into each other, but i didn't feel like fiddling with that. | |
| 14:48 | but, yes, this problem affects the bottom buttons on all three pages. | |
| 14:50 | i don't remember how much of the hacky "force this where i want it" code i left in there. i hit a point where it looked good enough on all three platforms and then stopped fiddling. | |
| 14:50 | afk a smidge. | |
| 14:50 | bendk | mostly it seems like the align_bottom call |
| 14:58 | zanoi | willkg: appindicator should work just as well in gnome as in kde, no matter if it's written with libappindicator or KStatusnotifier. It even says so on the unity website: http://unity.ubuntu.com/projects/appindicators/ |
| 15:00 | willkg | oh wow! they've really cleaned up the docs. |
| 15:00 | this stuff wasn't around (or not findable) last time i was hunting for it a couple of months ago. | |
| 15:09 | zanoi | the interesting thing is that it's actually upstream in kde, so it works in every kde distro |
| 15:09 | willkg | that is interesting. what version of kde does it require? |
| 15:10 | zanoi | 4.4 if i remember correctly from videocatcher development |
| 15:10 | but of course if we write it in libappindicator we need that library to be present as well, don't know if that's the case for non-canonical distros | |
| 15:11 | willkg | me, either. |
| 15:11 | my current plan is to do this as an extension that's in the packaging for maverick and natty. | |
| 15:12 | zanoi | i'm not sure what the best way is :S |
| 15:53 | bendk | willkg: so I think I figured out that button issue |
| 15:53 | so stupid | |
| 15:53 | the dialog just needs 5px more height | |
| 15:54 | the height request of the choice page is 175 px, then there's 20px padding on the top and bottom | |
| 15:54 | is there any issue with making the dialog 220px instead of 210? | |
| 15:54 | willkg | bendk: ok. so i had dropped the height of the dialog because that's one way i could get the buttons closer to the bottom. |
| 15:55 | bendk: but it's entirely possible that i changed so many things between what's there now and when i reduced the height of the dialog, that i fixed one issue and created another. | |
| 15:55 | bendk: i'm totally +1 on whatever you want to do to make it suck less. | |
| 15:55 | bendk | okay, I'll check it in |
| 15:55 | willkg | bendk: and that's a carte blanche sort of thing. |
| 15:55 | bendk | maybe we just need less padding on the bottom? 20px seems like a lot to me |
| 15:56 | actually, I like that approach better, I'll just make it 10px padding on the bottom | |
| 15:56 | unless that's coming from nick/morgan and they want it like that | |
| 15:56 | willkg | i used 20px because the first time dialog used that. i wrote that dialog, too, but i don't remember why i did a 20px padding there. |
| 15:56 | what do other dialogs use? it should look like them? | |
| 15:56 | er, it should look like them. that should have been a statement--not a question. | |
| 15:57 | bendk | 20px |
| 15:57 | so I guess I'll reverse again and stick to that | |
| 16:02 | willkg | sorry to make you sad. :( |
| 16:04 | bendk: also, i just saw 16936. pretty sure that's related to your changes. it probably requires someone to write up something that defines what the behavior should be for tabs. | |
| 16:06 | bendk | yup, that's my change |
| 16:06 | I don't know of any wiki page for that, do you? | |
| 16:06 | I can make a new one | |
| 16:07 | willkg | janetPCF1: you on? |
| 16:08 | z3p | kcw: are you going to reassign your bugs, or do you want me to go through them? |
| 16:08 | willkg | i know janetPCF1 has been writing up behavior docs somewhere. it's worth pinging her and finding out what she's written up and where and all that. |
| 16:18 | kcw | z3p: I sent a bug your way - I thought there were several but it may just be that one |
| 16:18 | z3p | kcw: yeah, I saw that one |
| 16:23 | deardiary: thank you git blame! you've helped me twice today! | |
| 16:24 | bendk | z3p: don't worry about #16936 |
| 16:24 | z3p | bendk: oh? it's an easy fix (I think) |
| 16:24 | bendk | janetPCF1: Your behavior docs are awesome! I just browsed through a couple of them and they look great |
| 16:25 | z3p: I just checked in code that reverted the fix. The issue is that if we want to support keyboard navigation, it's really weird if landing on a tab expands it | |
| 16:26 | z3p | bendk: hmm, yeah |
| 16:26 | bendk: maybe we can grab a click event | |
| 16:26 | bendk | I think ideally a mouse click would expand, but that's much harder to do |
| 16:27 | willkg | bendk: are they in the wiki? |
| 16:27 | bendk: by "they" i mean the behavior docs. | |
| 16:27 | bendk | I found a couple |
| 16:27 | here's one: http://develop.participatorycu[…]php/Playlists-tab | |
| 16:28 | willkg | ok. |
| 16:35 | dev call notes posted: http://bluesock.org/~willg/blo[…]all_20110406.html | |
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| 17:00 | janetPCF1 | thanks bendk - I think I only did 2 or 3 |
| 17:01 | on my list of stuff to complete | |
| 17:04 | bendk | z3p: never knew about "row-clicked". Nice fix |
| 17:10 | willkg | z3p: any idea if other people ran into that datetime.datetime -> unicode thing? might want to send an email to the develop list about it. |
| 17:11 | z3p | willkg: a couple who were CCed on the original bug; I'm surprised that it took you this long to run into it |
| 17:11 | willkg | oh, i've seen it for a while. i only just wrote up a bug report. |
| 17:13 | z3p | willkg: oh okay; that makes more sense |
| 17:13 | willkg: I figured that people who had experienced the bug had already come forward, so I left it alone | |
| 17:13 | willkg | z3p: ok. so i've done the db fixes. i noticed that recently watched and recently listened to lists don't change. |
| 17:14 | oh... maybe it's because i'm mostly doing podcast material where i delete it afterwards. funky. | |
| 17:17 | z3p: nevermind. it's because i'm deleting items. | |
| 17:17 | it's just awkward because for the last two weeks, the most recently watched item is "wears no pants". | |
| 17:17 | z3p | willkg: it's working for me (just checked), but if you're having problems there's a bug (#16922) |
| 17:17 | willkg: there aren't enough details for me to do anything with it right now, so more info would be helpful | |
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| 17:18 | janetPCF1 | willkg: - is that your self made work-at-home video? |
| 17:19 | willkg | janetPCF1: heh... no. it's this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nys0i_FRjTI |
| 17:20 | it's an anthem that rings with the core of my being. except for the last 2 seconds. | |
| 17:20 | so i clipped those two seconds out. | |
| 17:31 | afk a bit. | |
| 17:44 | bendk | taking off for a bit |
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| 18:12 | willkg | back. |
| 18:12 | deardiary: working on a will-close problem. | |
| 18:17 | gah. i've spilled my coffee twice today. | |
| 18:18 | that's twice more than any day this year so far! | |
| 18:19 | kcw | an infinity percent increase! |
| 18:27 | willkg | it is. that's so depressing. |
| 18:43 | z3p | deardiary: breaking out the windows VM to play around a bit |
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| 20:19 | kcw | bendk: 81fd77d breaks expanders - it looks like they're double-toggling |
| 20:20 | bendk | that one was z3p's |
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| 21:01 | * paulproteus | plays "In Our Bedroom, After the War" |
| 21:01 | paulproteus | MC 1.2 is shipped, entirely. |
| 21:02 | "Lift your head and look out the window... | |
| 21:02 | The war is over and we are beginning." | |
| 21:04 | willkg | paulproteus: w00t! congratulations! |
| 21:10 | zanoi | congrats! |
| 21:10 | * paulproteus | reads the dev call notes |
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| 21:36 | maggie_s | ajonas: hi ajonas! |
| 21:36 | ajonas | hi maggie_s ! |
| 21:36 | maggie_s | ajonas: how are things going? |
| 21:36 | ajonas | maggie_s: busy! but 1.2 is out! |
| 21:36 | maggie_s: on all servers! | |
| 21:37 | maggie_s | ajonas: great! |
| 21:38 | ajonas: i know you must be really busy now, but when you do have a spare second, could you please reset coffee-dot back to pov theme? if possible? | |
| 21:38 | ajonas | maggie_s: sure, but i'm curious as to why? |
| 21:39 | maggie_s | ajonas: just wanted to re-test with IE8, I hope that it will work well this time (fingers crossed) |
| 21:39 | ajonas | maggie_s: i don't think there have been any changes |
| 21:40 | maggie_s | ajonas: I know, I've just made a change in the browser settings |
| 21:40 | ajonas | ok |
| 21:40 | one sec | |
| 21:41 | maggie_s: back | |
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| 21:42 | maggie_s | ajonas: thanks a lot! it did work |
| 21:42 | ajonas | maggie_s: that's great news! what was the change? |
| 21:44 | maggie_s | ajonas: for an unknown reason, my browser went to so-called backward compatibility mode and started to behave like IE7 |
| 21:44 | ajonas: and it didn't show that in the menu, as you would expect | |
| 21:44 | ajonas | maggie_s: that's odd, but a relief! |
| 21:45 | maggie_s | ajonas: I reverted that setting, so now MC interface looks way better |
| 21:45 | ajonas | maggie_s: good to know |
| 21:45 | maggie_s | ajonas: there are still some cosmetic issues |
| 21:45 | ajonas | maggie_s: sure |
| 21:45 | maggie_s | ajonas: but I think that the list will be much shorter now |
| 21:45 | ajonas | maggie_s: awesome |
| 21:46 | maggie_s | ajonas: awesome indeed |
| 21:46 | ajonas: it was driving me crazy | |
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| 22:27 | willkg | bendk: you on? |
| 22:36 | zanoi | willkg, if you have time, could you tell me what you think the expected behavior should be on bug 16941 |
| 22:38 | willkg | mm... i don't know offhand. my vote is to pop up a dialog along the lines of "Ur system is st00pid!" |
| 22:38 | definitely a question for nick. | |
| 22:38 | this is probably a problem miro has had for a while. it's worth checking to see if it was a problem with Miro 3.5.1 and if so, fixing the version accordingly. | |
| 22:39 | also, i'd make this bug Windows-specific. it's possible other platforms have similar issues, but the fix is probably going to be at least somewhat platform-specific. | |
| 22:41 | zanoi | ok, thx |
| 22:48 | I'll CC you if you don't mind | |
| 22:53 | willkg | that'd be awesome. :) |
| 22:54 | i just made some changes to develop.participatoryculture.org which unfortunately doesn't include a shorter machine name. | |
| 22:54 | i sent an email to the develop mailing list about it, but the gist of it is this: | |
| 22:54 | 1. all users need to set and confirm their email address before they can edit pages | |
| 22:55 | 2. if you add a url to an external site to a page, you have to do a simple arithmetic captcha thing | |
| 22:55 | hopefully: | |
| 22:55 | 1. i did it right--my testing suggests i did | |
| 22:56 | ajonas | maggie_s: i'm going to change the theme on coffee to try something out |
| 22:56 | maggie_s | ajonas: sure, no problem! |
| 22:56 | willkg | on that note, i'm afk for a bit.... |
| 22:57 | maggie_s | ajonas: thanks a lot for your help! |
| 22:57 | ajonas | maggie_s: thanks for yours! |
| 23:03 | zanoi | willkg, it might be a good idea to mention on the wiki that we are only requiring login+email because of spam |
| 23:03 | i always find it somewhat discouraging if no anonymous editing is allowed, but would have no issue with it if i knew it was because of spam | |
| 23:03 | it's not important at all though | |
| 23:06 | willkg | i'm chatting with paulproteus about it now. |
| 23:06 | turns out i totally did it wrong. | |
| 23:06 | i, too, dislike email confirmation. but the spam thing is annoying as all hell. | |
| 23:06 | paulproteus | b |
| 23:06 | One sec | |
| 23:12 | * zanoi | found out recently that one of germanys major public tv channels offers news in ogg theora....yay |
| 23:14 | willkg | afk a bit.... |
| 23:14 | paulproteus | b |
| 23:14 | Ciao willkg! | |
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| 23:38 | zanoi | willkg, should git still be available over http? |
| 23:39 | as in, the miro git repository |