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| 00:01 | jeremyb | paulproteus: does MC have any integration with universal subtitles? or they're different layers of the stack? (i.e. MC doesn't store the video itself, just the metadata...) |
| 00:01 | aude: ^ | |
| 00:02 | aude | jeremyb: very curious about that |
| 00:02 | jeremyb | orly? |
| 00:02 | aude | :) |
| 00:05 | * paulproteus | waves. |
| 00:06 | paulproteus | jeremyb: Different layers of the stack, mostly, but one day willkg will put togther some UI integration, we expect. |
| 00:06 | ajonas knows a way, also, of doing some integration maybe in a custom admin theme (?) | |
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| 00:35 | jeremyb | paulproteus: my use case with aude may also surpass free limits and want some CNAMEing :-) |
| 00:35 | paulproteus: do you know about fedflix? | |
| 00:38 | aude | http://www.archive.org/details/FedFlix |
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| 11:20 | willkg | hi! |
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| 13:08 | z3p | good morning |
| 13:09 | willkg | i just spilled a cup of coffee on my desk and hit three computers. |
| 13:09 | also, unity totally died on me this morning, killed all my processes, and logged me out. | |
| 13:09 | z3p | willkg: hitting the computers is no way to take out your anger about the coffee |
| 13:09 | willkg | z3p: heh. |
| 13:10 | i'm so mad. it was a good cup of coffee. i was enjoying it. | |
| 13:10 | also, i discovered the macbook i have is surprisingly resilient to getting a cup of coffee dumped on it. it's still running just fine. | |
| 13:11 | z3p | I just figured out how to mass brew iced coffee; so much better than having to to it a french-press at a time |
| 13:11 | willkg | z3p: are you putting it in a jar in the fridge? that's what i do. _SO_ good. |
| 13:11 | z3p | willkg: if by jar you mean 6qt pot, then yet! |
| 13:11 | *yes | |
| 13:11 | willkg | z3p: nice! i use a large bell jar. |
| 13:12 | z3p: and i dump grounds and water in and let it sit in my fridge for 24 hours. | |
| 13:12 | z3p | willkg: yeah; my first time I only did it for about 12, but it needed more time |
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| 13:15 | z3p | deardiary: working on miro community tickets today |
| 13:15 | willkg | deardiary: cleaning up a coffee spill. total suckage. |
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| 13:36 | z3p | willkg: you did natty over the weekend, right? how are you liking it? |
| 13:37 | willkg | z3p: i installed it sunday. zanoi installed it, too. |
| 13:38 | z3p: prior to unity crashing on me this morning, i was luke-warm about it. i think i'm going to switch to debian or fedora and install natty on a non-primary machine. | |
| 13:38 | zanoi | Ubuntu natty messes with my head |
| 13:39 | z3p | hmm, I hadn't thought about going back to debian |
| 13:39 | zanoi | but it's nice to finally see some innovation on the gnome side of things |
| 13:40 | willkg: is it more the technical problems or the UI changes that bother you? | |
| 13:42 | willkg | zanoi: well, it's a big set of changes. but it's not working well on my machine. the ui is really jerky and it crashed this morning taking _everything_ with it. |
| 13:44 | zanoi | willkg: i think having controversial UI changes & being more unstable than before is probably not the best combination :) |
| 13:44 | willkg | i don't really care about the controversy. |
| 13:45 | also, i've been eager to get off ubuntu for a while. i would have done it for maverick, except i needed it for work. | |
| 13:45 | zanoi | willkg: why do you want to get off ubuntu? |
| 13:45 | willkg | mmm... i don't want to spend a lot of time discussing this, but the gist of it is that i think ubuntu isn't the community i want to be a part of. |
| 13:46 | zanoi | interesting |
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| 13:47 | zanoi | willkg: i agree, it's about time you switched to kubuntu :) |
| 13:48 | willkg | heh. unlikely. |
| 13:48 | it doesn't really fix any of my issues. | |
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| 13:49 | zanoi | willkg: it works with your graphics card and it's a different community. All fixed. You're welcome. |
| 13:54 | willkg | good try, but i'm definitely not switching to kubuntu. |
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| 13:55 | zanoi | i should get a prize for worst kubuntu promotion ever :-) |
| 13:58 | willkg | it's not you. i just don't want to bother with kubuntu. |
| 13:58 | ditto for a bunch of other gnu/linux distributions. | |
| 13:59 | glad you like it, though. | |
| 13:59 | so... what's everyone working on today? | |
| 13:59 | i saw z3p is working on miro community stuff. | |
| 13:59 | kcw, zanoi, bendk, glee: what're you all working on? | |
| 14:00 | glee | willkg: Testing things right now. |
| 14:01 | zanoi | willkg: 17133 |
| 14:01 | willkg | zanoi: also, if someone can't start miro, they can't see the help menu. |
| 14:01 | zanoi: there's a TestingDtv wiki page that walks people through finding their log files and database files if they can't start miro. https://develop.participatoryc[…]ex.php/TestingDtv | |
| 14:01 | zanoi | willkg: heh, oops |
| 14:08 | janetPCF | willkg: isn't this your 2nd coffee spill this year? |
| 14:09 | willkg | janetPCF: mmm... possibly. but it's the first near-catastrophic one. |
| 14:09 | janetPCF | if you don't sugar / cream it - I think the machines like it better. |
| 14:09 | willkg | my macbook got all "funky". i had to shut it off, disconnect it and stick it in the sun. |
| 14:09 | yeah, i'm so glad i don't use sugar. then it'd be a sticky disaster. that blows. | |
| 14:09 | but i do use cream. so it'll probably be smelly for a bit. | |
| 14:09 | janetPCF | yuck. |
| 14:10 | zanoi | i managed to spill oil on my keys and touchpad today :/ |
| 14:10 | janetPCF | I'm too clumsy for anything other than black coffee. |
| 14:10 | willkg | well, i'm smelly, too. so maybe my smell and the macbook smell will have an epic battle. |
| 14:10 | janetPCF | but I don't drink it near the computers, sometimes tea. |
| 14:10 | willkg | i put cream in my coffee to dilute it and reduce my caffeine intake. |
| 14:10 | janetPCF | pcf stink feud today |
| 14:31 | zanoi | willkg: I've had your blog in the top 10 search results of my favorite search engine several times when searching stuff (without searching the word miro) O.o |
| 14:35 | willkg | weird. |
| 14:35 | zanoi | does anyone know of a gtk application which uses a gtk list view with background color but doesn't install half of gnome |
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| 15:43 | zanoi | deardiary: bugs that take ages to find, but then only require one line changes are really frustrating |
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| 16:54 | zanoi | how do i watch all unwatched items? In other words how do i executer handle_play_all_unwatched() in miro? |
| 16:57 | willkg: ^ | |
| 16:57 | willkg | bendk: ^^^ any ideas? |
| 16:58 | kcw | The PlayAllUnwatched class is never created |
| 16:58 | *instantiated | |
| 16:58 | oh yes it is | |
| 16:59 | in trayicon | |
| 16:59 | so you handle_play_all_unwatched from the icon context menu on gtk | |
| 16:59 | zanoi | kcw: yay thanks! |
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| 17:24 | paulproteus | ajonas: http://fuckyeahnouns.com/miro%20community |
| 17:25 | ajonas | paulproteus: did you add it? |
| 17:25 | paulproteus | It's automatically generated from a Google Images search, I think. |
| 17:25 | So I might be the first one to have searched for us, but it found what it found all by itself. | |
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| 17:58 | zanoi | could someone explain me what the database column item.is_file_item is supposed to represent? |
| 17:59 | z3p | zanoi: whether it's an item from a feed, or something we found on the local filesystem |
| 18:00 | zanoi | z3p: ok, because if i understand it correctly it is 1 for items from "sources" (websites) and 0 for items from website searches. Is that the way it should be? |
| 18:01 | z3p | zanoi: sure; searches are feeds, sources are not |
| 18:01 | zanoi | z3p: ok, thx |
| 18:01 | bendk | hey, so I just checked out #8655 |
| 18:01 | the new mouse motion code feels weird to me | |
| 18:02 | when I move the mouse I expect the controls to appear | |
| 18:02 | Also new users might get really confused since they won't necessarily know the controls are on the bottom | |
| 18:03 | so, I think we need to play rock paper scissors to pick who gets to decide the functionality :) | |
| 18:03 | willkg: zanoi: how much do you like the new behavior? | |
| 18:04 | oh, hehe I saw a Jonas on the ticket, but now that I see the email, I'm pretty sure that's not you zanoi | |
| 18:05 | zanoi | bendk: hehe, nope that's not me |
| 18:06 | bendk: gotta run, cafe is closing | |
| 18:06 | willkg | bendk: so... i implemented that. i like the new behavior. it's pretty common in media applications. |
| 18:06 | zanoi | bendk: will have a look later |
| 18:06 | willkg | bendk: we could extend it further downwards, but i'd rather not go back to the old behavior because every time i'd bump the mouse, it'd bring up the bar. |
| 18:06 | bendk | zanoi: don't worry about it |
| 18:07 | I'm pretty sure VLC shows the controls whenever you move the mouse | |
| 18:07 | I definitely hear you with the bumping issue | |
| 18:07 | It's also differenent between mac and GTK now | |
| 18:07 | willkg | bendk: quicktime, the hulu player, the netflix player... pretty sure that it's common to just show the bar on the bottom when the mouse is moving over there. |
| 18:08 | well, it's always been different between osx and gtk. on osx, we show that god-awful overlay which when you bump the mouse is _worse_ than what we had on gtk. | |
| 18:09 | anyhow, so i implemented 8655 because there were so many votes for it and because i found the behavior irritating. | |
| 18:09 | bendk | okay, I can deal with it |
| 18:09 | willkg | but... i'm game for talking about it. if there's a compelling reason to change it back, i'm game. |
| 18:09 | bendk | mostly it's just surprising for me |
| 18:09 | willkg | like i said in the bug, i did just go and change it. |
| 18:10 | bendk | also there's a bug on windows which makes things much worse |
| 18:10 | willkg | what bug? |
| 18:10 | bendk | the mouse doesn't hide if you move anywhere except for the top of the window |
| 18:10 | there's not really a ticket for it | |
| 18:10 | I was working on this one: http://bugzilla.pculture.org/s[…]_bug.cgi?id=17213 | |
| 18:10 | which is basically just undo #8655 :) | |
| 18:10 | then I realized it was on purpose | |
| 18:10 | willkg | ahh... right. |
| 18:11 | so, what happens is that when you move the mouse, the mouse shows up. that's so you know where the pointer is. if you move the mouse to the bottom, then the controls show up, too. | |
| 18:11 | there should be timeouts for both of those to hide them both. | |
| 18:12 | bendk | yeah, the code actually seems right to me though |
| 18:12 | I think it's some weird windows thing | |
| 18:12 | it's not happening on linux | |
| 18:13 | willkg | i'm pretty sure when i implemented 8655, i went through and tested it on windows and linux. so, it sounds like i either screwed up my testing, or this is a new issue. |
| 18:15 | oh... that's where the show_controls is getting printed. i should remove that logging statement--it's weird and unnecessary. | |
| 18:17 | bendk: i'm on natty now and seeing these in the logs: http://dpaste.com/538419/ | |
| 18:17 | bendk: they're all warnings but i'm wondering if they're anything we should be concerned about. | |
| 18:18 | bendk | that seems bad to me |
| 18:18 | I'd say file a ticket | |
| 18:18 | probably we're missing some gobject type call | |
| 18:18 | willkg | can do. |
| 18:20 | bendk: it's bug 17243. | |
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| 19:00 | zanoi | bendk: i don't know much about the mouse control stuff. On my computer dragon player and vlc have the controls pop up on any movement and kaffeine has it only when moving the mouse to the screen edge |
| 19:01 | bendk | willkg: bummer, I don't know how to fix things on windows with the new behavior |
| 19:01 | I just posted a comment saying maybe we should revert it on windows | |
| 19:01 | zanoi: interesting. I think it's definitely player-dependant | |
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| 19:11 | willkg | i'm off for a bit. need to get my inr checked. |
| 19:11 | i'll be back in a couple of hours. | |
| 19:12 | bendk: if you want to revert it, that's fine. i find the old behavior annoying, but ... in the grand scheme of things, i don't really care. | |
| 19:12 | bendk: i'm not sure i'd revert it for one platform and not the other. that just adds complexity. | |
| 19:12 | anyhow... i'll be back later. | |
| 19:12 | bendk | okay, seeya will |
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| 20:18 | zanoi | bugzilla down!? |
| 20:19 | janetPCF1 | everything seems a bit slow to me, but I thought it was me |
| 20:19 | so I'm heading off to bed, - but here are the latest Beta build download numbers: | |
| 20:20 | zanoi | *excitement* |
| 20:20 | janetPCF1 | windows: 472, os x: 97, source: 20 |
| 20:20 | zanoi | *drums* |
| 20:20 | janetPCF1 | I didn't mean to make that stupid face |
| 20:20 | : then an x | |
| 20:20 | zanoi | hehe |
| 20:21 | janetPCF1 | so that's pretty good for the first 24 hrs since we blogged it. |
| 20:21 | zanoi | yup |
| 20:21 | janetPCF1 | plus with the auto notifications we should keep them on subsequent updates. |
| 20:21 | Good night. | |
| 20:21 | zanoi | night |
| 20:33 | * zanoi | looks at bugs created today and thinks "there goes our progress statistics" |
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| 20:49 | willkg | back. |
| 20:51 | paulproteus | It's amazing how, after like fricking umpteen years of development, Bugzilla is still stupidly slow. |
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| 20:56 | willkg | paulproteus: this is weird behavior. it shouldn't be _this_ slow. |
| 20:57 | paulproteus: i think it started when rob moved the db to some other place in the world after amazon sucked ass last week. | |
| 20:57 | * paulproteus | nods. |
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| 20:58 | willkg | paulproteus: to clarify, i'm seeing slowness today that's way beyond what i consider normal. |
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| 21:39 | paulproteus | ajonas: My first theme updates wiki page! http://develop.participatorycu[…]hemeUpdates/16216 |
| 21:39 | willkg | paulproteus: yay! |
| 21:39 | ajonas | paulproteus: great! |
| 21:49 | willkg | hrm. bugzilla sucks again. |
| 21:50 | i'm hitting the point where i want to say, "bugzilla is sucking. let's go shopping!" | |
| 21:50 | but instead of shopping, i think i'll go downstairs for some ice cream. | |
| 21:50 | in l337 speak, it'd be 1c3 cr3 m. |
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| 21:50 | paulproteus | Now you're thinking. |
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| 22:05 | paulproteus | Howdy aude! |
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| 22:20 | paulproteus | ajonas: er, with Bugzilla down... /me wonders what he should do. |
| 22:20 | ajonas: Maybe right now I'll look over the 1.5 stuff and prioritize/explain | |
| 22:20 | ajonas | paulproteus: ok |
| 22:21 | zanoi | wait, are you guys saying bugzilla is slow? |
| 22:21 | because for me it has not worked at all in the past few hours | |
| 22:21 | paulproteus | http://bugzilla.pculture.org/ "Unable to forward request at this time" |
| 22:22 | Also yeah, pcf8 that hosts it has been slow the past day. | |
| 22:22 | zanoi | right, the past days :) |
| 22:23 | yeah, now it gives an error, earlier it simply wasn't responding | |
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| 22:24 | ajonas | hi maggie_s |
| 22:24 | maggie_s | hi ajonas |
| 22:25 | ajonas | maggie_s: i don't know if i'm right, but what i meant in that ticket about vimeo videos is that sometimes not all items associated with the user are in the feed - it might be that the feeds only encompass so many items |
| 22:25 | maggie_s: i think it should be its own ticket, at least, for further investigation | |
| 22:26 | maggie_s | ajonas: OK, I'll try to make one |
| 22:26 | ajonas | maggie_s: thanks - bz is actually down right now, afaik |
| 22:26 | maggie_s: but when it's back up, that'd be great! | |
| 22:27 | maggie_s | ajonas: just tried, it's up and running |
| 22:27 | ajonas | maggie_s: nice! |
| 22:27 | zanoi | it's alive! |
| 22:38 | ajonas | folks, my brain is not working properly, what would you call < and > ? |
| 22:38 | not brackets | |
| 22:38 | but... | |
| 22:38 | paulproteus ? | |
| 22:38 | paulproteus | Angle brackets. |
| 22:39 | Or "less than" and "greater than" if you want everyone to look at you funny for a sec and then say, "Oh, yeah, I guess that's right." | |
| 22:39 | Depends on the use, I suppose, but that's the lay of the land. | |
| 22:39 | ajonas | paulproteus: ty |
| 22:39 | paulproteus | b |
| 23:06 | aude | hi paulproteus |
| 23:08 | paulproteus | Welcome. Are you here to help contribute to Miro maybe, or Miro Community? |
| 23:09 | You're quite welcome to hang around and listen, too. | |
| 23:12 | ajonas: Now that Bugzilla is okay, I'm going to hopefully write the last of the theme update notes then wander off, I think. | |
| 23:12 | ajonas | paulproteus: k, maybe if you have time you can look at this bz comment i'm about to leave about tier states |
| 23:12 | paulproteus: actually let me tell you in im, because i don't want to list tier states publicly in the ticket | |
| 23:13 | paulproteus | Okay, makes sense. |
| 23:24 | So maggie_s, I think that we should figure out how to handle the case that you found, which is that if you are careful, you can cause the site to skip the PayPal redirect. | |
| 23:24 | I guess one thing we could do is, when we email you saying we created the site, the site could render with a note saying "You forgot to finish". | |
| 23:25 | ajonas | paulproteus: we also need to figure out why it's skipping, i think |
| 23:26 | maggie_s | paulproteus: if possible, maybe even offer two options - finish with the payment process or run the site in the basic tier mode? |
| 23:27 | paulproteus | maggie_s: Yeah, I think that makes sense. |
| 23:28 | ajonas: The thing is, the browser's behavior is completely out of spec, as far as I can tell... | |
| 23:28 | maggie_s + ajonas: We could even, I think, ask that question from the admin screen. | |
| 23:29 | maggie_s | paulproteus: wait, if the admin-facing pages will be accessible, that means that the unpaid site will be usable, right? |
| 23:29 | paulproteus: are you sure this is what we want to happen? | |
| 23:30 | paulproteus | I think it'd be okay because they'd probably be in a free trial anyway. |
| 23:31 | ajonas | paulproteus , maggie_s it would be ok if it was just the first time they logged in |
| 23:31 | paulproteus: but i maintain that we should figure out how to stop it | |
| 23:31 | paulproteus: rather than what to do when it happens | |
| 23:31 | maggie_s | paulproteus, ajonas: I thought the trial time was counted down from the moment a payment was created in PP? |
| 23:32 | paulproteus | Yeah, I guess that's true, actually. |
| 23:32 | ajonas | maggie_s: it is, so this would be an exception |
| 23:32 | paulproteus | But what I mean is, in theory, they *should* be in a free trial at the point of site creation (even if the database doesn't say so). |
| 23:32 | As far as they know, they are in a trial (-: (but the /upgrade/ page will let them start the trial at any point) | |
| 23:32 | ajonas | paulproteus: i agree with maggie, the trial doesn't start until they enter payment info |
| 23:32 | paulproteus | Right. |
| 23:33 | I agree about that. | |
| 23:33 | Back in a sec. | |
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| 23:42 | ajonas | paulproteus: users could be confused at the front end (why didn't i go to paypal like they said i would?) or later (why hasn't my free trial expired?) |
| 23:53 | maggie_s | ajonas, paulproteus: the browser does take you to the PP page. The problem is that you can get by without proceeding with PP, if you choose to. |
| 23:53 | ajonas | maggie_s: ahh |
| 23:53 | maggie_s: !! | |
| 23:53 | that's less bad | |
| 23:54 | i have to go, but i think in that case the email / pop-up makes sense, and maybe they have a day to make the change - seems like that's where the paypal enforcement thing should come in, paulproteus ? | |
| 23:55 | maggie_s: thanks for clarifying, i am less nervous now | |
| 23:56 | maggie_s | ajonas, paulproteus: yes, I think some enforcement policy should be put in place |
| 23:56 | ajonas | maggie_s: yes, there are a few tickets for it |
| 23:57 | maggie_s: but yes, this is a good time to nail it down | |
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| 23:58 | ajonas | headed out, night all! |
| 23:58 | maggie_s | ajonas: bye! |
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