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| Time | Nick | Message |
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| 00:00 | willkg | there are probably a bunch of related issues. i think dialog buttons get translated at import time, too. |
| 00:03 | janetPCF1 | bug #17515 |
| 00:03 | it only happens when you choose the lang in the 1st time startup dialog | |
| 00:03 | and it's ok after a shutdown / /restart | |
| 00:05 | we need to make an all-image UI for the linguistically impaired. | |
| 00:05 | I just can't test in a German UI - too many syllables | |
| 00:08 | zanoi | I love german :) |
| 00:08 | it's there only language where you can construct sentences that are more complex than the weirdest programming statements | |
| 00:09 | *the only language | |
| 00:19 | I'm off for today | |
| 00:30 | janetPCF1 | kcw: not exactly what I expected, but on osx - the animal planet videos - don't get the drm tag |
| 00:31 | and are displayed as playable | |
| 00:31 | but they don't crash on osx - just a grey screen | |
| 00:31 | and Nicholas' music file is still playable | |
| 00:33 | so willkg - everything being what it is - I think we should send out rc2 into the world | |
| 00:33 | willkg | ok. |
| 00:33 | i'll do that, then send an update. | |
| 00:33 | janetPCF1 | I'll quickly to the update notification before I go to sleep |
| 00:33 | but any words to add to the text? | |
| 00:34 | It's let, and I'm leaning towards something like: | |
| 00:34 | kcw | janetPCF1: is it the "04 jumpers" and "04 gluttons" cases that OS X isn't identify as drm? |
| 00:34 | *05 gluttons | |
| 00:34 | janetPCF1 | 'hey you - test this motherf@#$ing thing |
| 00:34 | yes kcw | |
| 00:34 | jumpers, gluttons, thinkers, moms, speed, superdogs... | |
| 00:35 | kcw | thinkers too? that one has both kinds of drm-indicators |
| 00:35 | janetPCF1 | yes - thinkers too |
| 00:36 | maybe something special since it's an authorized machine? | |
| 00:37 | willkg | janetPCF1: ok. rc2 builds posted on the nightlies page and i added the redirects. |
| 00:37 | janetPCF1: i already updated the release notes with the list of stuff we fixed, though it's as of a few hours ago. | |
| 00:38 | janetPCF1: any text you want to add is fine by me. | |
| 00:38 | janetPCF1 | ok |
| 00:38 | willkg | i'm blogging about it now. |
| 00:38 | for the 10 people that read my blog. | |
| 00:39 | janetPCF1 | 10 - that's about 10 more than mine. |
| 00:41 | willkg | http://bluesock.org/~willg/blo[…]ro/miro4_rc2.html |
| 00:45 | kcw | janetPCF1: have your drm'd files stayed out of Other, or did they move to there after a minute? I reproduced it with Thinkers but it eventually went to Other |
| 00:46 | willkg | ok. tagged, built, tested, posted, blogged, emailed. i'm so done for today. |
| 00:46 | i'll be on tomorrow first thing to see where we're at, send email, and figure out what needs to happen to get us to a final release. | |
| 00:46 | see you all tomorrow! | |
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| 00:47 | janetPCF1 | bye |
| 00:47 | kcw: I didn't see the files go to other | |
| 00:50 | kcw | I think it's quite possibly just that qt_extractor is able to examine the files since you have the drm key |
| 00:50 | because I'm getting the expected behavior on OS X | |
| 00:50 | janetPCF1 | makes sense |
| 00:51 | npr mentioned before that he'd rather err on the side of playable, as long as we aren't crashing. | |
| 00:51 | the main issues was before crashing the whole windows app, and that's not a aproblem anymore | |
| 00:53 | kcw | yeah - if it's really just that qt_extractor can use the drm key, that may not even be a bug - there's not much we could do about it except replace qt_extractor entirely, or disallow playing anything that looks like it might have drm. It's fortunate that this doesn't happen on a platform where playing drmed media is a crash. |
| 00:54 | I'll file a 4.1 bug in case there's some way in the QTKit interface to check whether it used DRM for a file, though | |
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| 10:27 | FFFFFFFFFF | HI |
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| 12:43 | willkg | hi! |
| 12:43 | janetPCF: you on? | |
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| 12:58 | willkg | janetPCF: you on? |
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| 13:19 | willkg | glee: when you're triaging bugs, you really should include a comment. when you just change bug attributes around, people get annoyed because you're not saying why you're doing what you're doing. |
| 13:19 | glee | willkg: Alright |
| 13:19 | willkg | glee: pretty sure i've said that before. |
| 13:19 | glee: does that make sense? | |
| 13:20 | glee | willkg: Yeah, I'm in the middle of things. Usually I do the shuffle then leave comments in one batch. |
| 13:20 | willkg | glee: it's better to do comments when you're changing properties all at once as a single transaction. |
| 13:21 | glee: how's miro doing on osx lion? that's a 4.0.1 thing, so if you've got free time, that's priority 1. | |
| 13:21 | glee | willkg: Haven't checked. I'm using my computer now, so I can't really boot into it to run the latest batch of updates. |
| 13:24 | willkg | haven't checked since wednesday? |
| 13:25 | janetPCF | hey willkg |
| 13:25 | willkg | janetPCF: hi! did you see 17521? http://bugzilla.pculture.org/s[…]_bug.cgi?id=17521 |
| 13:25 | janetPCF | so I stayed up until like 4 am last night to do the update, write a testing blog post and a main blog post |
| 13:25 | then woke up this morning to like 20 downloads | |
| 13:26 | glee | willkg: Nope. Haven't had a chance. |
| 13:26 | willkg | glee: ok. so, now that we're done with rc2, you should move ahead with 4.0.1 stuff. i'll ping you if we need you on 4.0 things again. |
| 13:27 | janetPCF | yes - I read it |
| 13:27 | I did updates on 2 machines | |
| 13:27 | willkg | glee: the timeline for 4.0.1 is wicked aggressive, and osx lion support is really important. |
| 13:27 | glee | willkg: Yes, I know that - I just haven't had time to look at it yet. |
| 13:29 | willkg | glee: ok.... |
| 13:33 | glee | willkg: 17521 is definitely a Mac OS X crash from the logs. |
| 13:34 | janetPCF | pulse_updating_animation? - |
| 13:34 | disney crash? | |
| 13:35 | glee | That's what it called. But it ended up crashing in one of the Cocoa tableview functions. |
| 13:35 | janetPCF | let me try to reproduce - I have my update set back to I get the notifcation on every startup |
| 13:36 | whatever the problem is, wouldn't be experienced by 3.5.1 updaters, if it's in new 4.0 code, but could then bite on the 4.0 -> 4.0.1 updates, i think | |
| 13:37 | willkg | janetPCF: that's my concern. i don't want to screw us in future updates. |
| 13:40 | i'm going to go work on 17515. | |
| 14:21 | janetPCF | glee can you reproduce http://bugzilla.pculture.org/s[…]_bug.cgi?id=17521 |
| 14:22 | glee | janetPCF: How many feeds do I need? |
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| 14:28 | willkg | ugh. code that conflates class attributes and instance attributes sux0rz. |
| 14:36 | man, we really suck at peer review. i don't understand how code like this got through. | |
| 14:37 | janetPCF | glee: here are some opml files of feeds to add a bunch at a time: https://develop.participatoryc[…]easurements#Setup |
| 14:40 | willkg | bendk: you on? |
| 14:42 | glee | janetPCF: I'll take a look in a bit. |
| 14:42 | willkg | z3p: you around? |
| 14:43 | mmm.... afk a bit to grab some food. | |
| 14:44 | pretty sure i have 17515 fixed to a point where it looks ok. | |
| 14:52 | z3p | willkg: hey |
| 15:02 | janetPCF | bendk: can 17517 go to the 4.0.1 milestone? Seems more like a missing feature, than absolutely critical. |
| 15:05 | glee - can you look at http://bugzilla.pculture.org/s[…]_bug.cgi?id=17442 - it is possibly that I'm not getting drm flags on osx because quicktime knows that I am the owner of the files? | |
| 15:05 | z3p | janetPCF: I just moved it |
| 15:06 | janetPCF | oh good. no crash no block |
| 15:06 | glee | janetPCF: I am confused. Did you send Kaz those files? He does not own them so they should be DRM'ed for him if QuickTime knew something? |
| 15:06 | janetPCF | he has some test files and they are marked DRM for him |
| 15:07 | but my files that I own are not flagged as drm. | |
| 15:07 | glee | janetPCF: I see. So exact same file, they are marked as DRM for him but no for you, yes? |
| 15:07 | janetPCF | yes |
| 15:08 | but on windows they are correctly marked as DRM - so we don't crash vcl | |
| 15:09 | zanoi: bug 17511 http://bugzilla.pculture.org/s[…]_bug.cgi?id=17511 - if there's nothing to be done, we should move it out of 4.0 milestone | |
| 15:09 | hell - even if there is something to be done | |
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| 15:10 | glee | janetPCF: I think it's a metadata problem, need some way to figure out that the file's been DRM'ed. There must be a tag or something. Could you please try to catch up with Kaz? |
| 15:12 | zanoi | janetPCF, feel free to move my bugs to different milestones. I only reported the big-ish ones to 4.0 so people would at least would have a look at them |
| 15:13 | willkg | janetPCF: i just pushed it off to 4.1. |
| 15:13 | zanoi: that's the right thing to do. it gives us a chance to triage them and figure out what to do now and what to push off until later. | |
| 15:14 | zanoi | yay :) |
| 15:14 | willkg | z3p: i just made a bunch of changes to tablist, statictabs, and displays so it's less stupid. can you peer review it? did you do much work on those things? |
| 15:15 | z3p | willkg: enough that I can probably follow your code |
| 15:15 | willkg: I'll take a look now | |
| 15:15 | willkg | z3p: ok. i'll need ben to look at it too, then. |
| 15:15 | let me clean it up, then check it in. | |
| 15:21 | zanoi | I had a segfault again |
| 15:31 | willkg, there is at least one string which both really annoys me and is way too long in the german menu, but I can't find it in Launchpad :S | |
| 15:32 | willkg | is there a search interface? |
| 15:32 | zanoi | yes |
| 15:33 | willkg | and neither the german nor the english strings show up when searched for? |
| 15:34 | zanoi | well lots of strings show up, depending on the search, but never the wrong one, only correctly translated ones |
| 15:34 | even if I search the exact wrong string | |
| 15:35 | willkg | it's possible it's been updated since i synced translations. |
| 15:35 | check the .po files. | |
| 15:36 | zanoi | I've been trying yesterday as well, about 6 hours after you synced |
| 15:38 | willkg | did you check the .po files? |
| 15:38 | zanoi | checking now |
| 15:39 | it seems like its not there | |
| 15:39 | very weird | |
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| 15:41 | zanoi | ah, nevermind found it. I was search withouth the shortcut key underscore |
| 15:41 | *searching without | |
| 15:42 | maybe I can find it in Launchpad then | |
| 15:45 | ok, fixed. But wow, the launchpad search sucks | |
| 16:06 | willkg | afk for food. |
| 16:34 | z3p | I've got ultimate practice, but I'll have my phone/e-mail in case something crazy comes up |
| 16:36 | willkg: I don't think the swch translation did ngettext strings | |
| 16:36 | willkg | z3p: mmm... i can check that. |
| 16:37 | z3p: it's entirely possible. i fixed some other issues with poxx.py, too. | |
| 16:37 | z3p | willkg: 'Expires in 24 hours' shows up normally for me |
| 16:37 | * willkg | nods. |
| 16:37 | z3p | willkg: but I love it; I'm only using swch from now on |
| 16:37 | willkg | i think you're right. so that's something it doesn't do. |
| 16:37 | z3p | english is so 20th century |
| 16:37 | willkg | another thing i discovered is that many strings get lengthened, but not all. so i may just add "bork" to the end of everything. |
| 16:39 | janetPCF | bjork - witt the dots |
| 16:40 | willkg | oo--i could do that. that's a good idea. |
| 16:41 | glee | Rebooting for OS updates. |
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| 17:14 | willkg | zanoi: i'm looking at 17501. what's a "column title"? |
| 17:14 | zanoi: are you talking about tabs in the sidebar? | |
| 17:15 | zanoi | willkg, column header in standard view/list view |
| 17:15 | willkg | ahh... ok. |
| 17:15 | mmm... i'll go see how that's implemented. | |
| 17:22 | hrm... they're all in widgetconsts and get defined at import. | |
| 17:29 | zanoi | well it's not a very important bug |
| 17:31 | willkg | zanoi: ok. i think i fixed that, too. |
| 17:31 | zanoi | yay! |
| 17:32 | willkg | there are bound to be others. i think i've hacked through the most egregious ones, though. |
| 17:33 | zanoi | as long as the worst ones are fixed almost no one will notice |
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| 18:03 | bendk | willkg: I'm need to run off, if I put some code in the ben branch, can you make a build for janet to try out? |
| 18:03 | willkg | bendk: can do. |
| 18:03 | janetPCF: do you need a windows build or an osx build or both? | |
| 18:04 | bendk | okay it's in the ben branch |
| 18:04 | I think it's just windows | |
| 18:05 | * willkg | nods. |
| 18:05 | willkg | ok. |
| 18:05 | bendk | this is to test 17436 |
| 18:05 | willkg | oh, right. ok. you just told me about this. bah. |
| 18:06 | bendk | thanks! |
| 18:06 | willkg | doing the build now. whoever wrote these nightly build scripts should get a gold star. |
| 18:18 | janetPCF: there's a 2011-05-21 ben nightly posted. | |
| 18:35 | janetPCF | willkg: is that nightly supposed to fix it, or get more information? |
| 18:36 | kcw | janetPCF: it just adds logging |
| 18:36 | janetPCF | ok |
| 18:37 | I was just asked: Mommy are you smart? | |
| 18:37 | then tested with "How old is water?" | |
| 18:37 | ha - I have an answer for that one. | |
| 18:38 | willkg | janetPCF: i think it's in the bug comments. beyond that, i don't know. |
| 18:48 | mmm... i think i'm not going to wait for bendk to review my changes and instead just merge them in and we can test them out. | |
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| 19:02 | willkg | janetPCF: how're things going? |
| 19:04 | z3p: how're you doing? | |
| 19:06 | z3p: do you think you could get anywhere with 17521? | |
| 19:13 | janetPCF | kids stuff - getting started now |
| 19:15 | willkg | ok. |
| 19:17 | zanoi: i just checked in my first time dialog language fixes into master. can you grab the latest from master and test them out? | |
| 19:18 | zanoi: this is part of 17515. i have the updated situation in the most recent comment. | |
| 19:19 | zanoi | willkg, yes, I've been testing a bit from your branch earlier, will test properly now |
| 19:27 | willkg, most of the stuff kaz mentions in the bug comments seems to still be untranslated | |
| 19:27 | 17515#c3 | |
| 19:28 | but it's not critical stuff | |
| 19:28 | willkg | zanoi: so... what i need you to test is what i changed. that's in the most recent set of comments. |
| 19:29 | zanoi: does that make sense? | |
| 19:29 | zanoi | willkg, right, i missed that you want to push the rest to 4.0.1 |
| 19:29 | the other stuff works fine | |
| 19:34 | willkg | the prefpanel stuff is tough. i'll spin that into a new bug for 4.1. |
| 19:39 | zanoi | might it be easier to just completely restart miro if the user changes language in the import dialog? |
| 19:40 | willkg | in the first time dialog? |
| 19:40 | there are no import dialogs anymore.... | |
| 19:40 | zanoi | sorry, yes first time dialog |
| 19:41 | willkg | and the first time dialog gets translated for me. how're you switching the language? |
| 19:41 | zanoi | willkg, all the strings in the first time dialog? |
| 19:41 | willkg | when i use a language that's fully translated, yes. |
| 19:41 | zanoi | odd, it doesn't for me |
| 19:42 | willkg | how're you switching the language? |
| 19:42 | zanoi | I choose it from the list |
| 19:42 | is there another way? | |
| 19:42 | willkg | how? are you using the keyboard? are you using the mouse? what platform are you on? |
| 19:43 | zanoi | natty, and doesn't make a difference whether i do it with keyboard or mouse |
| 19:43 | should I add a screenshot? | |
| 19:43 | willkg | what language are you switching to? |
| 19:43 | zanoi | german |
| 19:44 | willkg | switch to swedish chef. it's the bottom most item. |
| 19:44 | german must not be fully translated. | |
| 19:44 | zanoi | interesting, there it works |
| 19:44 | well, as I wrote that's what I thought until I checked the .po files | |
| 19:45 | willkg | zanoi: looks like the .po file has the old strings, but not the new ones. |
| 19:46 | zanoi | ah, ok |
| 19:46 | willkg | i need to do a resync today. i'll do that now. |
| 19:47 | according to launchpad, german has 12 untranslated strings right now. | |
| 19:49 | zanoi | syncing now would be great, then I could test some of the changes I made |
| 19:50 | z3p | willkg: I doubt it, but I can poke at it a bit |
| 19:50 | willkg | z3p: poking at it helps a lot. |
| 19:50 | zanoi: it takes a while to sync. | |
| 19:50 | zanoi: i did the download request. should get a response within the hour. but uploading takes like 14 hours. | |
| 19:50 | zanoi | oh |
| 19:51 | will that be the final sync before release then? | |
| 19:51 | willkg | no. i'll probably do another sync tomorrow. |
| 19:51 | zanoi | ok |
| 19:52 | willkg | zanoi: if you wanted to do some translation work and finish off german, that'd be cool. |
| 19:53 | zanoi | willkg, ok, I'll try. I don't consider myself the best translator though :) |
| 19:53 | willkg, do you want me to try to minimize the german menu bar to make the unity bug less bad? | |
| 19:53 | willkg | kcw: good catch. i'll fix that. |
| 19:54 | zanoi: it's up to you. it's something we push off to contributors. i only mentioned it because you had expressed interest earlier. | |
| 19:55 | zanoi | ok, I'll see what I decide |
| 19:55 | willkg | kcw: ok, top-level podcasts tab is fixed now. |
| 19:56 | zanoi | what bothers me with the unity menu bar, except for the part I have fixed already, is that I would make the translations worse for everyone just to fix a bug in unity |
| 19:57 | willkg | yup. |
| 19:58 | zanoi: i just downloaded the translations from launchpad and pushed them to git master. so that's the most recent stuff that's out there. | |
| 19:58 | i also uploaded the most recent messages.pot file, so in like 12 hours or more, launchpad will let you translate any new strings changes. | |
| 19:58 | zanoi | thx |
| 19:59 | willkg | i'll do another syncing round tomorrow. |
| 19:59 | i also tweaked the swedish chef translation so that the next button looks better. | |
| 20:00 | ok. i'm going to take a break, then go back to working on the miro user manual. | |
| 20:00 | janetPCF | I can't reproduce http://bugzilla.pculture.org/s[…]_bug.cgi?id=17436 |
| 20:00 | tried about 6 different ways and a zillion searches | |
| 20:00 | willkg | is that good or bad? |
| 20:01 | z3p: are you around all afternoon? | |
| 20:01 | z3p: can we get together with an etherpad and hash out what device help looks like? | |
| 20:01 | z3p | willkg: I'm around for a while; a friend of mine is going to basic training and tonight is the going-away party |
| 20:01 | willkg: yes, we can do that | |
| 20:02 | willkg | z3p: ok. i really need a break. when i get back, i'll ping you and if you're around, great. if you're not around, we can do it tomorrow. |
| 20:02 | z3p | willkg: I'm going to poke at the window stuff for a little while and see if anything comes up |
| 20:02 | willkg | z3p: awesome. thank you! |
| 20:03 | afk a bit. | |
| 20:03 | z3p | willkg: but I'm really just stabbing the dark |
| 20:03 | willkg | z3p: it's ok. you're not likely to get eaten by a grue. and i'm hoping you'll get lucky. |
| 20:03 | afk for realz. | |
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| 20:20 | paulproteus | natea: Howdy here. |
| 20:20 | #openhatch is pretty off-topic for MC stuff, and I can look into that git branch issue shortly-ish | |
| 20:20 | The main reason we're not on e.g. Github/Gitorious is inertia, fwiw. | |
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| 20:36 | willkg | z3p: ok. i'm back. |
| 20:36 | z3p: how's it going? | |
| 20:36 | z3p | willkg: janetPCF: closed #17521 |
| 20:37 | willkg | z3p: you rock. |
| 20:37 | janetPCF | ben should look at http://bugzilla.pculture.org/s[…]_bug.cgi?id=17527 - it looks like a nasty old vlc bug, back from the grave |
| 20:37 | willkg | kcw: you rock. |
| 20:38 | zanoi: you rock. | |
| 20:38 | janetPCF: you rock. | |
| 20:38 | srsly. | |
| 20:38 | janetPCF | all yall rock |
| 20:38 | willkg | that vlc bug sucks. |
| 20:38 | janetPCF | yep - it sucked for about 3 versions of Mior |
| 20:38 | willkg | if he fixes it, yay. if not, i'm pushing it to 4.0.1. |
| 20:39 | janetPCF | do you know how many people complained about that bug? |
| 20:39 | willkg | oh, yes. i vividly remember. |
| 20:39 | janetPCF | pages and pages of GS |
| 20:39 | willkg | but... we gots deadlines this time around. |
| 20:39 | janetPCF | but ben is a super-hero |
| 20:40 | willkg | true that. |
| 20:41 | z3p: you have some time to help me throw together a device chapter for the manual? | |
| 20:41 | z3p | willkg: I need a shower, but if you want to throw some stuff in an etherpad while I do that, I'll be back in a few mintues |
| 20:41 | *minurwa | |
| 20:41 | willkg | z3p: sounds super. |
| 20:41 | kcw | *minurwabork |
| 20:42 | willkg | heh. |
| 20:42 | z3p | *minutes |
| 20:42 | willkg | paroneayea: ^^^ off by one error. |
| 20:42 | http://openetherpad.org/mum-device-chapter | |
| 20:50 | anyone else is free to hop in and help write the device chapter. you know probably as much as i do about how it works. | |
| 20:50 | mostly, i'm reading through http://develop.participatorycu[…]php/DeviceSupport . | |
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| 21:24 | janetPCF | z3p willkg - you know i don't have a good way for testing the amazon /stores stuff since I'm not in the USA. Are we sure that they are all working now? |
| 21:24 | willkg | z3p: ^^^ |
| 21:24 | z3p | janetPCF: I will go through and test them again |
| 21:24 | janetPCF | thx |
| 21:33 | z3p | janetPCF: we're good; downloads succeeded on all 3 platforms |
| 21:33 | janetPCF | perfect |
| 21:37 | z3p | willkg: are we good on the device page? |
| 21:38 | willkg | z3p: i think so if you think so. |
| 21:38 | janetPCF, z3p: thank you for helping with that! | |
| 21:38 | bah... i just found strings with positional parameters in them. bad bad bad. | |
| 21:38 | z3p | willkg: I think so too |
| 21:39 | willkg: there's a canadian english translation? | |
| 21:40 | willkg | yup. and kcw pointed out there's german strings in it. weirdness. |
| 21:41 | also, looks like launchpad does funny string matching that's case-insensitive. | |
| 21:54 | anyhow, en_CA should be "fixed". | |
| 21:54 | deardiary: working on miro user manual. | |
| 21:57 | Odysimus joined #miro-hackers | |
| 22:15 | willkg | janetPCF: how're things going? |
| 22:15 | kcw: did you see bug #17517? | |
| 22:16 | janetPCF | fading. |
| 22:16 | I was not able to reproduce that crash while searching on that nightly build | |
| 22:16 | willkg | janetPCF: you should call it a day. bendk said he's going to do his work tonight, so it's important we test tomorrow. |
| 22:16 | janetPCF | sounds good to me. |
| 22:17 | willkg | janetPCF: i'll send another email when i'm done for the day. |
| 22:17 | janetPCF | did he say he thinks he can fix the vlc thing? |
| 22:17 | willkg | when i talked to him, i don't think either of us knew about the vlc thing. |
| 22:18 | janetPCF | ok |
| 22:18 | well that other bug - 17436 - so far has happened only to me on rc2 on 1 machine, and I can't reproduce it - so maybe that should get push back. | |
| 22:19 | I was able to reproduce http://bugzilla.pculture.org/s[…]_bug.cgi?id=17525 - by toggling back and forth fast a bunch of times, but that is something outside of what a normal user would do - so maybe push back? | |
| 22:19 | willkg | janetPCF: bendk was interested in addressing it with whatever information you got from that build he did for you. |
| 22:19 | so... i figure he'll figure it out. | |
| 22:19 | kcw | willkg: yeah. I'm surprised that scroll is acting differently between gtk platforms. my windows box needs fixing, but whatever's causing 17517 I should be able to fix it for 4.0.1 |
| 22:20 | janetPCF | which was none |
| 22:20 | willkg | kcw: ok. |
| 22:20 | janetPCF: which is good information. | |
| 22:20 | janetPCF | see I'd vote for that one in 4.0.1 as well - |
| 22:20 | willkg | ok. i don't have any preferences one way or the other. |
| 22:21 | janetPCF | 17527 and 17524 (vlc and share on win) are my two biggest concerns |
| 22:21 | * willkg | nods. |
| 22:21 | willkg | hopefully they'll get looked at tonight while we're sleeping. |
| 22:21 | if they don't, i'll start calling around tomorrow morning. | |
| 22:22 | joni. that was her name. | |
| 22:22 | she's the one that helped us figure out the vlc thing the first time around. | |
| 22:22 | that bug went on forever. | |
| 22:22 | janetPCF | oh - I thought she was the save db with 10000 torrents person |
| 22:23 | it did go on from 2.5 to 3.5.1 I think | |
| 22:23 | willkg | mmm... she might have done that, too. but i'm pretty sure she's the person bendk bounced builds off of to fix the vlc issue for 3.5.1. |
| 22:23 | yeah, it sucked. | |
| 22:23 | can't wait to ditch vlc. | |
| 22:23 | not that it's vlc's fault, but it'll be nice to have one less renderer to deal with. | |
| 22:23 | and we have to do squirrely things to get vlc to work inside miro. ick. | |
| 22:24 | janetPCF: anyhow, see you tomorrow! | |
| 22:24 | janetPCF | why not 1 ring to rule them all |
| 22:24 | willkg | someone mentioned switching to gstreamer on osx. i'm +1 for that, but i'm blissfully ignorant of the ramifications. |
| 22:24 | janetPCF | seems like perian on osx can be assy too- the subtitle limitations suck |
| 22:24 | willkg | gstreamer has some subtitle problems, too. |
| 22:25 | anyhow... off with you! shoo shoo! | |
| 22:25 | janetPCF | ha - |
| 22:25 | why did we never consider vlc for all 3 | |
| 22:25 | willkg | that i don't know. that was before my time. |
| 22:26 | i exorcised xine (thank goodness). | |
| 22:26 | janetPCF | I know luc was massively opposed |
| 22:26 | willkg | my plan is to exorcise vlc next. |
| 22:26 | janetPCF | it's a scary thought - but if we are - we should just do it and stop talking about it |
| 22:26 | willkg | having said that, we haven't tested with vlc code for a while. we're still using 0.9 something. maybe they fixed a bunch of our issues, but i think we talked with jb at the last ovc and he said they hadn't. |
| 22:27 | gah! i was going to, but then it was too much work for the 4.0 timeframe. | |
| 22:27 | janetPCF | we are way behind |
| 22:27 | willkg | totally! it sux0rz. |
| 22:27 | janetPCF | ok I will sleep |
| 22:27 | willkg | see you tomorrow! |
| 22:27 | janetPCF | this is the most insane release ever. |
| 22:27 | willkg | amen. |
| 22:27 | we will win. | |
| 22:28 | think of all the "underdog wins in the end" movies you can think of. that's us. | |
| 22:28 | janetPCF | i think my ass is just glued to this chair |
| 22:29 | there's a beast of a computer in my bedroom - since I needed it close to the router and the spare monitor | |
| 22:29 | I think my kids had cinnamon toast cruch for dinner | |
| 22:29 | willkg | la la la la janetPCF isn't talking she's going to bed la la la la. |
| 22:29 | janetPCF | I put them to bed at 11:30 − cause I forgot the time |
| 22:31 | willkg | gah--6:30pm. i'm going to get dinner. then back to miro user manual stuff. |
| 22:31 | afk a bit. | |
| 22:31 | janetPCF | oh - yeah, and Katerina sat next to me typing search and importing files on the laptop trying to reproduce bug 17424 |
| 22:31 | she's probably trying to figure what the hell I'm doing here all day | |
| 22:32 | willkg | heh. |
| 22:32 | should i add her to the credits? | |
| 22:32 | janetPCF | She feels pretty cool now that she gets the Import dialog |
| 22:32 | sure. | |
| 22:32 | willkg | done. |
| 22:33 | janetPCF | ha - I won't tell you that she then found shark boy and lava girl and spent the next hour verifying playback |
| 22:33 | willkg | heh. |
| 22:33 | janetPCF | and Miro recovered well when that shitty computer did it's overheat and shutdown trick |
| 22:34 | shark boy and lava girl is a movie | |
| 22:34 | * willkg | nods. |
| 22:34 | willkg | i've seen it. |
| 22:34 | it's a robert rodriguez movie. he's pretty funky. | |
| 22:34 | janetPCF | no clue |
| 22:35 | willkg | he did desperado, el mariachi, once upon a time in mexico, sin city, ... |
| 22:36 | off to dinner for realz. afk for a bit. | |
| 23:35 | back. |