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| 00:50 | jesstess | The password reset page for the OpenHatch roundup seems to have me in an infinite loop on step 1 of the process. |
| 00:51 | https://openhatch.org/bugs/use[…]emplate=forgotten (It says to give a username or e-mail address, and sends an e-mail to that address with a link to that page again) | |
| 00:53 | Zathras | jesstess, probably best to file a bug in the bugtracker |
| 00:55 | jesstess | Zathras: I can't tell if you're joking or not :) |
| 00:55 | Zathras | actually, that was a serious remark |
| 00:56 | jesstess | Zathras: if I can't log in I can't file a bug :) (I was trying to log in to file a bug ...) |
| 00:56 | I can re-register if I have to, but I'd rather not. | |
| 00:56 | Zathras | ah. yes. Sorry. It's like 2 am here. Good pointer I should start thinking of getting some sleep |
| 00:56 | if you want to I can file the bug for you | |
| 00:57 | paulproteus | jesstess: ! |
| 00:57 | Let me see if the mail server is down... | |
| 00:57 | ...hmm, mail works. | |
| 00:58 | Uh oh, roundup-admin's been sending me mail... | |
| 00:59 | jesstess | :) |
| 01:00 | Oh hey, I just got several e-mails with passwords. | |
| 01:01 | paulproteus | (-: |
| 01:02 | FWIW I haven't changd anything, so I guess those were already on the way. | |
| 01:03 | jesstess | It's confusing that it takes you back to the same page. (mail delay certainly makes it more confusing) |
| 01:10 | Zathras | paulproteus, issue 134 (Map too slow to be useful) is marked as being "in-progress", Who is working on it? |
| 01:17 | time to get some sleep | |
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| 02:02 | paulproteus | jesstess: jesstessjjjjjjjjkjjkjkmashsss |
| 02:03 | jesstess | paulproteus <<<<<<>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<>>>>>>> |
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| 12:47 | Zathras__ | hi |
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| 15:31 | Zathras__ | ping paulproteus |
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| 16:38 | Zathras__ | hi willkg |
| 16:39 | willkg | Zathras__: hi! |
| 16:48 | jmaister | When is the meeting again (and what timezone)? |
| 16:55 | Zathras__ | jmaister, read my comment on Tanenbaum some days ago? |
| 16:59 | jmaister | yes, read my reply? |
| 16:59 | Zathras__ | nope |
| 16:59 | sory | |
| 16:59 | think I missed that one | |
| 16:59 | jmaister | I just stated that I should have checked my facts better |
| 16:59 | Zathras__ | aha |
| 17:00 | jmaister | And that he only was counceling PhD students |
| 17:00 | Zathras__ | as a hint: afaik when you have access to higher education in NL, you can attend courses in other institutes for free |
| 17:00 | aha. Too bad | |
| 17:04 | jmaister, what is the meeting about if I might be so blunt asking | |
| 17:05 | I would like to have a mini meeting with paulproteus on mapping before I start implementing. Unfortunately he is not online so it seems | |
| 17:06 | jmaister | Karen Rustad suggested having an irc meeting |
| 17:06 | in the devel list | |
| 17:07 | Zathras__ | was that the thing where people had a discussion on saterday/sunday bwing the 13th and that that would depend on timezones? (a bit strange) |
| 17:08 | *being | |
| 17:08 | jmaister | Today is saturday isn't it? |
| 17:08 | Zathras__ | atm it is saturday the 13th. being the afternoon in EU and morning in US afaik |
| 17:09 | jmaister | So 2pm est equals what in cet? |
| 17:10 | 20:00? | |
| 17:12 | Zathras__ | http://www.worldtimezone.com/ |
| 17:12 | http://www.timeanddate.com/lib[…]ations/timezones/ | |
| 17:12 | when time was set in eastern US Time (Paul's time) | |
| 17:13 | that would be gmt-5 | |
| 17:13 | and you are in gmt+1 | |
| 17:13 | jmaister | so 6 hrs, yes. |
| 17:14 | so the meeting is in 2 hrs then | |
| 17:14 | I guess | |
| 17:14 | Zathras__ | de le voila |
| 17:14 | jmaister | :D |
| 17:15 | When is the US going to settle for the metric system and 24hrs watches... | |
| 17:16 | Zathras__ | not likely |
| 17:16 | you know Americans | |
| 17:16 | they tend to have an attitude that the rest of the world is off and should adapt to their standards | |
| 17:16 | besides. This is a not so trivial discussion | |
| 17:17 | comparable to left and right side driving | |
| 17:17 | there are far more people using "the wrong" standards then you think there are | |
| 17:18 | jmaister | The UK have at least "oficially" switched |
| 17:18 | Except road signs it seems | |
| 17:19 | Zathras__ | a single worldwide standard would be very beneficial for all but it is unlikely that it will happen. |
| 17:20 | jmaister | If we can't even agree that death penaly is bad, I guess you are right |
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| 18:25 | pythonian4000afk is now known as pythonian4000 | |
| 18:26 | pythonian4000 | ... what's the emoticon for tired and bleary-eyed? ^_^ |
| 18:33 | jmaister | -_-? |
| 18:33 | pythonian4000 | I'm more ~_~ |
| 18:33 | (and thanks! =) ) | |
| 18:36 | Zathras__ | pythonian4000, am I correct in the assumption that snailbot search in archives on your site does not work? |
| 18:36 | pythonian4000 | It does |
| 18:37 | Zathras__ | oh. btw: hope you will soon feel better |
| 18:37 | pythonian4000 | (well, it *should*) |
| 18:37 | Zathras__ | I get : 1 page results |
| 18:37 | without results | |
| 18:37 | assumption is the mother of all fuckups :P | |
| 18:38 | pythonian4000 | That is a minor flaw in design I believe in that a list of results are passed to the template withoutt being checked if they are empty. |
| 18:38 | Zathras__ | I searched for my own nick, I am quite sure I have had *some* discussion on this channel before :P |
| 18:39 | so I think there should have been some results | |
| 18:40 | pythonian4000 | Sure you typed it in right? |
| 18:40 | I searched nick "Zathras" with no text search and got 10 pages of results | |
| 18:42 | Zathras__ | ouch |
| 18:42 | maybe case sensitivity | |
| 18:45 | hmm. Now I do get results based on my nick but not on nick+keyword | |
| 18:46 | are regexes allowed in seach? (I use various variations on spelling zathras) | |
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| 18:50 | pythonian4000 | I haven't messed with the search code much aside from adding server support, so not sure. I will have a look... |
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| 18:50 | pythonian4000 | Very odd... Just did some searches. Your nick plus an actual text keyword - fail. |
| 18:51 | Keyword by itself - success. | |
| 18:51 | Your nick plus keyword again - success. | |
| 18:51 | Zathras__ | lol |
| 18:51 | pythonian4000 | Your nick plus a different keyword - success. |
| 18:51 | *mindbreak* | |
| 18:51 | Zathras__ | strange |
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| 18:59 | paulprot1us | hello! I might be 5 min late |
| 19:02 | someone say hi to me! :P | |
| 19:02 | pythonian4000 | hi! |
| 19:03 | paulprot1us | (-: Yay |
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| 19:04 | paulprot1us | I'm typing on my phone... nearly home. Was eating dim sum. |
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| 19:07 | pythonian4000 | where's everyone going? |
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| 19:08 | Zathras__ | not the right start for a meeting.... |
| 19:09 | mllerustad | ...and Quassel-core appears to have gone down. |
| 19:09 | Hello, folks! | |
| 19:09 | Zathras__ | wb Karen |
| 19:09 | pythonian4000 | wb |
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| 19:10 | paulproteuss | Well, something crazy is going on with my personal server. |
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| 19:10 | mllerustad | Okay, thank you Quassel. |
| 19:10 | So, who all is here? | |
| 19:11 | jmaister | I am |
| 19:11 | paulproteuss | My Quassel says: "Lag: 48270.0s[econds]" |
| 19:11 | I am too! | |
| 19:11 | pythonian4000 | ^_^ |
| 19:11 | paulproteuss | Even though I'm not my usual self. |
| 19:11 | pythonian4000 | Me! |
| 19:11 | mllerustad | Whee, yay! |
| 19:12 | paulproteuss | Er, the wiki is rather slow for me. |
| 19:12 | Hmm, maybe my 'net connection? | |
| 19:12 | Anyway, /me looks for the minutes | |
| 19:12 | jmaister | Zathraz was here two hours ago, but maby he left. It's saturday evening after all :) |
| 19:12 | paulproteuss | But Zathras__ is! |
| 19:12 | pythonian4000 | Nope, he's here |
| 19:12 | mllerustad | Okay, so agenda item 1 -- say hi to each other [X] |
| 19:12 | :) | |
| 19:12 | pythonian4000 | Hi! |
| 19:13 | Zathras__ | hi |
| 19:13 | paulproteuss | Hi (-: |
| 19:13 | mllerustad | lol |
| 19:13 | jmaister | hei |
| 19:13 | mllerustad | I dunno if we want to do full-on introductions or not... looks like most of us are regulars |
| 19:14 | paulproteuss | Can someone load the agenda? The website is acting super slow for me. |
| 19:15 | mllerustad | paulproteuss: Is it on the wiki? I'm just going off of what "I" (you) sent in the email. :) |
| 19:15 | It doesn't appear to be under Meetings, anyway. | |
| 19:15 | Zathras__ | paulprot1us, can we please have a mini meeting on piratepad after this. I have written some text and would like some comments on it before I start coding please |
| 19:16 | paulproteuss | I could have sworn someone wrote an agenda somewhere. |
| 19:16 | Maybe yeah, the [Devel] post.. | |
| 19:16 | http://lists.openhatch.org/pip[…]ember/001669.html | |
| 19:16 | Wow, yeah, okay, so the first agenda item really was to say "hi" to each other (-: | |
| 19:16 | mllerustad | Yes, yes it was. Would I lie? :) |
| 19:17 | Anyway, I think it would make some sense to go out of order, and do 1.) figure out OH priorities for the next n weeks and 2.) figure out what people individually want to do. | |
| 19:17 | paulproteuss | I like that idea. Let's spend 15 minutes on each, and then we'll have some time for more one-on-one time for e.g. Zathras__ . |
| 19:17 | So let's all blurt out what we think the priorities should be. | |
| 19:18 | I personally am quite unhappy with how much the profile importer keeps breaking. | |
| 19:18 | mllerustad | +1 |
| 19:18 | paulproteuss | So I'm rewriting it in Twisted, and I am totally *nearly* done with that now. |
| 19:18 | I keep making slight architectural changes, but I think by the end of today I'll be done with those. | |
| 19:18 | The downside of this is, we have to rewrite all the importers we have. | |
| 19:18 | mllerustad | Ooh. |
| 19:19 | paulproteuss | But like the bug importer rewrite, I think things will make way more sense after this. |
| 19:19 | pythonian4000 | I agree. |
| 19:19 | paulproteuss | (-: |
| 19:19 | Plus once I finish deciding on the architecture, it will be easy to ask people to help and move existing importers into the new style. | |
| 19:19 | pythonian4000 | Why do the importers have to be rewritten, aside from because we want to? Have you affected something? |
| 19:19 | paulproteuss | Well, most of them are written in a blocking fashion. |
| 19:19 | So they have calls like urllib2.urlpen(something).read() | |
| 19:20 | s/urlpen/urlopen/ | |
| 19:20 | The way they are now totally sucks. | |
| 19:20 | It means we need one Python process per HTTP connection we're waiting on. | |
| 19:20 | pythonian4000 | I know that. You just made it sound like something you did was going to break the bug importers. |
| 19:20 | paulproteuss | Oh, no -- this doesn't change the bug importer. |
| 19:21 | At least, not yet. Once we have a Twisted-y way to HTTP, we should totally make the bug importer use it too. | |
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| 19:21 | * paulproteuss | waves to MichelleQ1 |
| 19:21 | paulproteuss | So I guess my top priority is still to rewrite the profile importer. |
| 19:21 | MichelleQ1 | hey paulproteuss |
| 19:22 | paulproteuss | We're having a meeting, fwiw -- c.f. http://lists.openhatch.org/pip[…]ember/001669.html . You are definitely welcome to stick around and chat during it! |
| 19:22 | mllerustad | btw there are minutes sort of now: http://openhatch.org/wiki/2010-11-13 |
| 19:22 | paulproteuss | b |
| 19:23 | One other thing I want to get done is to keep writing more and better documentation so that people know how to jump in, and know why things are the way they are. | |
| 19:23 | Zathras__ | very very good idea |
| 19:23 | paulproteuss | I don't have any concrete plans for what means specifically, though. |
| 19:23 | Oh, and since the Gitorious move, Hudson is broken. | |
| 19:23 | Hudson is also un-documented! | |
| 19:23 | A Hudson setup lives at http://linode2.openhatch.org:8080/ | |
| 19:24 | Zathras__ | I might have an idea for docs |
| 19:24 | pythonian4000 | And only configurable by you I believe. Another job on your todo list =P |
| 19:24 | Zathras__ | one mo |
| 19:24 | paulproteuss | Oh, yeah, I do have one idea for docs: https://openhatch.org/bugs/issue163 |
| 19:24 | Zathras__, what are you thinking? | |
| 19:25 | I was pretty impressed by https://wiki.mozilla.org/Educa[…]ing/ModifyBrowser a few months ago, and I thought it would be cool to have a walkthrough of "Make some non-trivial change to OpenHatch, so you become familiar with the way it's laid out". | |
| 19:25 | mllerustad | paulproteuss: So, a training mission for contributing to OH specifically? |
| 19:25 | paulproteuss | Well, not even quite a "training mission," just a high-clarity wiki page for now. |
| 19:26 | But in principle, yeah, something very similar. | |
| 19:26 | The "training missions" are all things where the server can automatically measure your progress. | |
| 19:27 | Another thing I want to do is polish up the training missions and start telling more people to use them. | |
| 19:27 | mllerustad | paulproteuss: +1 |
| 19:27 | paulproteuss | stump did some great work, and I've been sort of sitting on it. |
| 19:28 | mllerustad | I guess the question there is: what exactly needs to happen so that we can release the dang things already? |
| 19:28 | paulproteuss | mllerustad, That's a *great* question, and... I dunno. |
| 19:28 | Let me load them and see. | |
| 19:28 | Topic for #openhatch is now http://openhatch.org/ | Let's make the open source community easier to join | If nobody answers, stick around and someone will | Channel is logged, "/msg SNAILBot help" for more info | "b" is a good thing: http://ur1.ca/1jokg | Unlogged chat in #openhatch-unlogged | Logs at http://irclogs.jackgrigg.com/i[…]de.net/openhatch/ | Currently: [Devel] meeting, minutes here: http://openhat | |
| 19:29 | pythonian4000 | Hehe, truncated topic... |
| 19:29 | mllerustad | *sigh* |
| 19:29 | Zathras__ | have to have some dinner before it's cold. |
| 19:29 | mllerustad | Someone else decide what to delete. |
| 19:29 | Topic for #openhatch is now | |
| 19:29 | paulproteuss | We'll restore it later, whatevs. |
| 19:30 | Topic for #openhatch is now Meeting minutes: http://openhatch.org/wiki/2010-11-13 | |
| 19:30 | Zathras__ | on the subject of docs: how about a graphic giving a flow how OpenHatch works |
| 19:30 | paulproteuss | Zathras__, From the tech side? |
| 19:30 | Zathras__ | and then you can link techniques and compontens to it |
| 19:30 | yes | |
| 19:30 | paulproteuss | Is there an example you can point me to so I can see what are picturing? |
| 19:30 | Zathras__ | an architectural overview |
| 19:30 | yes. But have to google for it | |
| 19:31 | pythonian4000 | sort of like a UML diagram for software... |
| 19:31 | paulproteuss | That would be super helpful. I'm getting a sense of what you mean already. |
| 19:31 | re: what to do for missions: | |
| 19:31 | Zathras__ | will do so later. Have to have dinner now. Sorry for lousy planning |
| 19:31 | paulproteuss | Zathras__, that's okay, tty l! |
| 19:31 | * Fix the usability bugs listed at http://openhatch.org/bugs/issu[…]&%40action=search | |
| 19:32 | Er, at least the *one* that's mission-related.. #126 I guess. | |
| 19:32 | Zathras__ | I am not on the dev list so I am here more or less accidentally |
| 19:32 | paulproteuss | Zathras__, Ah! Would you be willing to join? |
| 19:32 | * Write up a "How to write a mission" HOWTO | |
| 19:32 | Zathras__ | as quick note: I promised to look at issue 134. Did not have much time until now. Will look at it tonight though |
| 19:33 | paulproteuss | Zathras__, Sweet. I will be mostly in-channel for the next 4-5 hours. |
| 19:33 | * I guess, we just remove the "beta beta" thing from the missions | |
| 19:33 | And then we declare them done. | |
| 19:34 | mllerustad | paulproteuss: Is there a model for how other people can contribute missions? |
| 19:34 | Like, a template or something? | |
| 19:34 | paulproteuss | mllerustad, There's not, and that's the real crime. |
| 19:34 | jmaister | I've done the missions, and there is no reason why they should still be in beta |
| 19:34 | mllerustad | (seems like a devel-HOWTO would also be useful) |
| 19:34 | paulproteuss | http://openhatch.org/wiki/Writ[…]_training_mission says "I haven't finished writing this document yet" |
| 19:35 | jmaister, :D | |
| 19:35 | mllerustad | lol |
| 19:35 | paulproteuss | Oh, and the opening page of the missions should be more exciting! |
| 19:35 | mllerustad | Because the "obvious" thing to do after we release the dang thing is to blog about it, and make other people blog about it. |
| 19:36 | pythonian4000 | I have had a brief look through the missions code. Howw feasible would it be to move sections in views.py, controllers.py etc. into their own files? |
| 19:36 | mllerustad | And it would be good if when people inevitably say "But this doesn't teach you how to do X!!!" we can point them somewhere :) |
| 19:36 | paulproteuss | mllerustad, Right, exactly. I agree! |
| 19:36 | pythonian4000, One thing I was thinking was, one directory per mission. | |
| 19:36 | pythonian4000 | (i.e. under "views" dir, and have views.py do some including magic) |
| 19:37 | paulproteuss | Then "views.py" can just be a list of: |
| 19:37 | from svn_mission.views import * | |
| 19:37 | from diff_patch_mission.views import * | |
| 19:37 | And that way, each mission is nice and self-contained. | |
| 19:37 | pythonian4000 | that does make more sense than views.svn_missions etc. |
| 19:38 | paulproteuss | er, oops |
| 19:38 | er, un-oops | |
| 19:38 | pythonian4000 | =) |
| 19:38 | paulproteuss | Yeah, I think that makes the most sense. |
| 19:38 | It requires some upheaval and moving stuff around in the codebase. | |
| 19:38 | pythonian4000 | But that's just copy-paste, right? |
| 19:39 | paulproteuss | Basically. |
| 19:39 | I would really like someone else to take that on. I don't think it'll be that hard, and I think that once they're separated out like that, it'll be easy for that person to begin writing the HOWTO, too. | |
| 19:39 | pythonian4000 | I'm happy to do that. |
| 19:39 | paulproteuss | <3 |
| 19:40 | pythonian4000 | My OH plans initially were to clear some of my bugs on the tracker, but the importer ones can be put on hold while we sort out the Twisted stuff. |
| 19:40 | s/OH plans/OH plans for the next week | |
| 19:40 | paulproteuss | (-: |
| 19:41 | I can really try to push the Twisted-based profile import (just for Github and Debian, so far) out today, too. | |
| 19:41 | I've been saying that for weeks, but I'm pretty happy with it, finally. | |
| 19:41 | mllerustad | Hm, I guess I should take "make /missions/ page more exciting!!!", and maybe other UI stuff. |
| 19:41 | paulproteuss | mllerustad, I mean, realistically, a lot of what has to be done is to *decide* what would make those pages look nicer. |
| 19:41 | mllerustad | (Next week, I'm hopeful I'll have time to actually do things!" |
| 19:41 | ) | |
| 19:42 | Sure. | |
| 19:42 | paulproteuss | Luckily you know how to submit patches, so you can even do that; but I just feel kind of overwhelmed, so if you end up just talking and help us come to decisions, that'd be great. |
| 19:42 | mllerustad | Sure, but e.g. graphics aren't going to appear just because I imperiously demand they exist :) |
| 19:42 | paulproteuss | Sure, okay (-: |
| 19:43 | pythonian4000 | Well given that you appear to be a graphic artist, I beg to differ ;D |
| 19:44 | mllerustad | Unfortunately, Photoshop's voice recognition software doesn't respond to "Make a cool logo, dammit!" :) |
| 19:44 | paulproteuss | https://openhatch.org/bugs/issue170 ! |
| 19:44 | pythonian4000 | hehe |
| 19:44 | paulproteuss | mllerustad, So let me give you an example: http://openhatch.org/missions/svn |
| 19:44 | This page is actually the start of something really cool. But it just blathers on about VCSs instead of saying "Dude, Mr Bad vs Mr Good!!!" | |
| 19:45 | I guess maybe I should file a bug about that. | |
| 19:45 | * paulproteuss | files the bug. |
| 19:45 | mllerustad | Ha! |
| 19:45 | * mllerustad | hadn't ever tried this mission |
| 19:46 | paulproteuss | Is that because it starts with a boring blob of text? |
| 19:46 | c.f. https://openhatch.org/blog/201[…]raining-missions/ | |
| 19:46 | mllerustad | I don't think so -- I hadn't ever done the diff/patch one either, just the first one. |
| 19:47 | paulproteuss | Oh, okay. |
| 19:47 | mllerustad, are you updating the minutes? | |
| 19:47 | I've forgotten what we said the priorities were. | |
| 19:47 | pythonian4000 | Yay scrollback! |
| 19:48 | mllerustad | paulproteuss: Yeah, they're up-to-date. |
| 19:48 | paulproteuss | ...wow, these are good minutes. |
| 19:48 | * paulproteuss | waves to jmaister |
| 19:49 | paulproteuss | You've been pretty quiet so far; let me know what you're thinking. |
| 19:49 | For Hudson, I'm torn. I don't really want to maintain it, but it's so good to have. | |
| 19:49 | So what I really want to do is write some documentation about it, and then have someone else help. (-: | |
| 19:49 | Like most things I don't want to do, it's actually easy, I'm just easily intimidated. | |
| 19:49 | pythonian4000 | Such as...? |
| 19:50 | mllerustad | paulproteuss: "Unfortunately", you will probably have to fix its initial brokenness first, also. :P |
| 19:50 | paulproteuss | Yeah, I'll file a bug about that right now. |
| 19:50 | pythonian4000, Like moving the missions files around! (-: | |
| 19:50 | pythonian4000 | I was referring to the Hudson-related stuff, but yes =) |
| 19:51 | paulproteuss | I guess I also never file bugs when I see Hudson issues, so no wonder nobody helps. |
| 19:51 | * paulproteuss | files a few |
| 19:51 | mllerustad | lol |
| 19:52 | pythonian4000 | Interesting... I logged in and was taken to https://openhatch.org/bugs/issue rather than https://openhatch.org/bugs/ |
| 19:52 | paulproteuss | That's not super reasonable. |
| 19:52 | pythonian4000 | s/logged in/logged in to the bugtracker |
| 19:52 | * paulproteuss | nods |
| 19:52 | mllerustad | Are those not the same? |
| 19:52 | pythonian4000 | See for yourself. |
| 19:52 | mllerustad | Oh, I see. |
| 19:53 | paulproteuss | Also, all these separate login systems are dumb. |
| 19:53 | pythonian4000 | +1 |
| 19:53 | paulproteuss | And we should have a forum for people to *chat* about what projects they can join! |
| 19:53 | That's so obvious! I've been "meaning to" do that since May or so. | |
| 19:53 | er, brb, filing more Hudson bugs | |
| 19:53 | mllerustad | ? |
| 19:53 | paulproteuss | Like, a web forum! |
| 19:53 | mllerustad | It's a new idea to me. |
| 19:54 | paulproteuss | See, I don't tell anyone about my cool ideas. |
| 19:54 | mllerustad | Won't, like, most projects have an IRC channel or forum where they want helpers to go? |
| 19:54 | I'd be afraid of duplicating effort / attention. | |
| 19:54 | paulproteuss | I was thinking, like, "Hey, I signed up for OpenHatch, but I don't know what project to work on. Does a human in the OH community want to suggest something?" |
| 19:54 | mllerustad | Oh. |
| 19:54 | jmaister | paulproteuss: Sorry. I was in the showe :P |
| 19:54 | paulproteuss | jmaister, welcome back (-: |
| 19:55 | pythonian4000 | wb jmaister |
| 19:55 | mllerustad | Like one of those dumb Facebook apps: "What FLOSS project are U???" |
| 19:55 | paulproteuss | Except people post, and then we chat with them. |
| 19:55 | mllerustad | Well, fine. |
| 19:55 | paulproteuss | Also I'm secretly hating Roundup's lack of ability to organize bugs easily into milestones. |
| 19:55 | mllerustad | You think this would be better than in IRC? |
| 19:55 | jmaister | I'm mostly just observing. Since I don't have a lot of experience with the OH project really. But if I think of something, I'll shout :) |
| 19:56 | paulproteuss | jmaister, Cool (-: |
| 19:56 | pythonian4000 | paulproteuss, explain? |
| 19:56 | paulproteuss | Well, I want to somehow have a list of "bugs we aim to get done in the next release" |
| 19:56 | Like what Trac has. | |
| 19:56 | pythonian4000 | Ah, like Bugzilla. |
| 19:57 | paulproteuss | Like http://trac.edgewall.org/milestone/0.12 |
| 19:57 | pythonian4000 | But that requires us having actual "releases". |
| 19:57 | mllerustad | paulproteuss: Did you ever get any feedback back from that prof who made his students do the missions? |
| 19:57 | paulproteuss | Yeah, but we could set monthly goals, and make a "release" at the end of them. |
| 19:57 | mllerustad, I don't think so... | |
| 19:57 | mllerustad | Aw. |
| 19:57 | paulproteuss | http://trac.edgewall.org/roadmap ! Like that. |
| 19:58 | jmaister | About Facebook, shouldn't OpenHatch have a page, so people can become fans? It's pretty good PR |
| 19:59 | paulproteuss | We do! |
| 19:59 | We just don't talk about it anywhere. | |
| 19:59 | Shockingly, people do seem to find it. | |
| 19:59 | jmaister | I can't :( |
| 19:59 | paulproteuss | (-: https://www.facebook.com/pages[…]atch/108578243652 |
| 20:00 | I'm personally not very excited about doing the work to gather excitement on Facebook, but if you are, I'd be quite happy to give you admin rights on it! | |
| 20:00 | jmaister | Wierd. It doesn't appear in my search results http://cl.ly/3t2l3s041p0N172W3v2Y |
| 20:00 | paulproteuss | Right now, it slurps in the blog feed. |
| 20:01 | Huh. | |
| 20:01 | jmaister | Well, I guess I could at least think of what to put there. Can I come back to you on that? |
| 20:01 | paulproteuss | jmaister, Sure (-: |
| 20:02 | Want to file a bug, and assign it to yourself? | |
| 20:02 | jmaister | All right |
| 20:02 | mllerustad | I tagged the various tasks mentioned in the wiki w. descriptors for some reason. |
| 20:02 | *wiki minutes | |
| 20:03 | paulproteuss | https://openhatch.org/bugs/issue173 and https://openhatch.org/bugs/issue172 FWIW |
| 20:04 | Meta question: | |
| 20:05 | Are we setting targets to hit by Dec 13, or instead to hit by Nov 30? | |
| 20:05 | mllerustad | I have no idea. |
| 20:05 | jmaister | paulproteuss: https://openhatch.org/bugs/issue174 |
| 20:05 | paulproteuss | I guess it's kind of fun to say we release on the thirteenth. |
| 20:05 | It's tempting fate (-: | |
| 20:05 | So I think we can actually get even more than this done. What else should we work on by Dec 13, then? (-: | |
| 20:06 | mllerustad | You're crazy :) |
| 20:07 | Well, I personally think paulproteuss and associated folks need to somehow document their OSS 101 session and package it up for other people to use. | |
| 20:07 | But there's not much of that that other people can help with. :) | |
| 20:07 | paulproteuss | jmaister, I think you're right, w/r/t Facebook, BTW (-: |
| 20:08 | mllerustad, That's an interesting point. | |
| 20:08 | mllerustad | Let's see, what else... There's also the bloody 'HOWTO download/build/get running with <<project>>" guide template thing I was sort of working on. |
| 20:08 | Though I don't know if I'll be able to finish that in a month alongside other stuff. | |
| 20:09 | paulproteuss | mllerustad, Maybe we should file bugs about that rather than just pass notes around a coffee table in Berkeley. |
| 20:09 | mllerustad | Yeah, probably. :P |
| 20:09 | paulproteuss: Did you account for maybe making the bug importer Twisted-y already in your calculations? | |
| 20:10 | paulproteuss | mllerustad, I did definitely not. |
| 20:10 | mllerustad | I don't know if that's a priority or not, but it's listed. |
| 20:10 | Zathras__ | back. will start reading up |
| 20:11 | paulproteuss | Well, I guess we can say these are our goals for the next 4 weeks. |
| 20:11 | If nobody has anything else they want to add? | |
| 20:12 | Relatedly, does this time work for regular weekly meetings? | |
| 20:12 | pythonian4000 | Not so good for me, I really don't fancy getting up at 8am on Sundays =P |
| 20:12 | paulproteuss | pythonian4000, Oh yeah (-: |
| 20:12 | I could do later in the day, if it works for everyone else here. | |
| 20:12 | pythonian4000 | (Though my timezones are going to vary quite a bit between beginning of december and mid january |
| 20:12 | ) | |
| 20:13 | paulproteuss | pythonian4000, Huh, why's that? |
| 20:13 | mllerustad | Yeah, later works for me too now that frisbee season's done. |
| 20:13 | paulproteuss | pythonian4000, Anyway, how's "this meeting's start time, plus 2 hours"? |
| 20:13 | pythonian4000 | Going to Australia on an orchestra tour (probably with no internet access), then to England for Christmas with the rellies and then a week of skiing in Park City, UT. |
| 20:14 | paulproteuss | !! |
| 20:14 | That's pretty sweet. | |
| 20:14 | pythonian4000 | And then an orchestra camp in Southern South Island, NZ |
| 20:15 | paulproteuss | Well I declare "this meeting's start time, but 2 hours later" our weekly time for now. Sound okay to all here? |
| 20:15 | mllerustad | Yes, sir! |
| 20:16 | pythonian4000 | paulproteuss, That's great for me. Works out as 9pm Saturday in England so will be fine there too. |
| 20:16 | jmaister | This being from 20:00 on a saturday and onwards, I can't always promise to be in |
| 20:16 | But I guess someone will always make minutes | |
| 20:16 | paulproteuss | jmaister, What are your constraints? |
| 20:17 | A bit earlier would work? | |
| 20:17 | jmaister | Saturday is lovely for meeting other humans irl, so a bit earlier would be swell for me |
| 20:17 | Like 12:00 EST | |
| 20:18 | If that's not too early | |
| 20:18 | paulproteuss | I think it is for poor pythonian4000. You and he can get into a fight :P |
| 20:18 | mllerustad | Of course, that works out to 9 PST and 6 Kiwi-time :/ |
| 20:19 | jmaister | Seeing that pythonian4000 is much more important than me, suggest 2pm EST is a good time :) |
| 20:19 | paulproteuss | jmaister, Well, I'd be pretty okay with having a make-up meeting time for people who can't make the first one. |
| 20:19 | Zathras__ | do you want me to do an introduction on what I am planning? |
| 20:19 | paulproteuss | I can commit to both for now. I don't know how other projects handle this sort of thing. |
| 20:19 | mllerustad | paulproteuss: (Jeez, this is what happens when you have a geographically diverse group of people interested in your project!" :P |
| 20:20 | ) | |
| 20:20 | pythonian4000 | Yeah, 6am on a sunday is not my idea of fun ^_^ |
| 20:20 | * paulproteuss | laughs out loud! |
| 20:20 | paulproteuss | Yeah, I think we're done with planning the next 4 weeks. |
| 20:20 | If so, let's move to "What we're working on, and what problems we're having", starting with Zathras__ | |
| 20:20 | Zathras__ | ok. |
| 20:21 | paulproteuss | I'm going to fix Hudson as I wait (-: |
| 20:22 | Zathras__ | My interest for OH started when I was looking for datafeeding for a project I was thinking of. Instead of reinventing the wheel I wanted to use as much FOSS components as possible. Also for maintainability purposes |
| 20:22 | I had some issues with getting OH to work and also with understanding what it can do and can't do | |
| 20:22 | and if it could be a "component" for my plans | |
| 20:23 | to sum up: it is not | |
| 20:23 | paulproteuss | Oh, well. |
| 20:23 | Zathras__ | I do not have much time to spend on projects I do not have direct relation with BUT |
| 20:23 | I like the idea of OH | |
| 20:23 | paulproteuss | (-: |
| 20:23 | Yay! | |
| 20:24 | Zathras__ | and during the process I saw some things |
| 20:24 | including the map issue (134) | |
| 20:24 | * jmaister | has to leave. See you later |
| 20:24 | Zathras__ | discussed this with some people |
| 20:24 | bye | |
| 20:24 | paulproteuss | Ciao, jmaister ! |
| 20:24 | Zathras__ | as I have had some experience with OSM (Openstreetmap) I volunteered to do something with it |
| 20:25 | so I promised to have a look at things and see if and how I could contribute | |
| 20:25 | I have done some research but not much coding yet | |
| 20:25 | was planning on doing so today | |
| 20:26 | so basically I am prepared to do this subproject but I do not think I will contribute otherwise then being on irc | |
| 20:26 | pythonian4000 | That's the great thing about Git branches - they are non-permanent, so very easy to have a hack around and play with stuff ^_^ |
| 20:26 | paulproteuss | Zathras__, That's cool -- thanks for being willing to! |
| 20:26 | If it doesn't work out, that's okay. | |
| 20:27 | Zathras__ | so brainstorming can be part of that but actual work probably not. Sorry for that. |
| 20:27 | I hope to discuss issue 134 after this meeting so I can start coding | |
| 20:27 | paulproteuss | Really no prob. (-: |
| 20:28 | I guess the meeting's over; the rest of the agenda is about doing stuff. | |
| 20:28 | Meeting ending in 5... | |
| 20:28 | 1... | |
| 20:28 | pythonian4000 | Zathras__, Brainstorming is a much more important part. Seems that most ideas here are originally stymied by a lack of discussion about them, so anyone is useful there =) |
| 20:28 | paulproteuss | </meeting> ! |
| 20:29 | pythonian4000 | Error: Unmatching XML tags. |
| 20:29 | Zathras__ | euhm. What to do next: brainstorm on docs or discuss issue 134? |
| 20:29 | regarding issue 134: http://piratepad.net/5W0eju26WP | |
| 20:29 | pythonian4000 | I think a quick summary of what everyone is planing for the week is in order. |
| 20:30 | Zathras__ | ok. sorry, let's do that first |
| 20:30 | paulproteuss | Makes sense to me. (-: |
| 20:30 | pythonian4000 | "Quick" being the operative word =P |
| 20:30 | Zathras__ | quick: details above </quick? |
| 20:31 | paulproteuss | Yeah, I un-do the close-meeting tag. |
| 20:31 | Let's have this be part of the meeting. | |
| 20:31 | mllerustad | I guess I'll think about how to make the missions page more exciting / ways to amend copy. |
| 20:31 | paulproteuss | In the future, we'll make it part of the agenda. |
| 20:31 | mllerustad | Probably won't have time to actually edit code to make those changes happen, but next week! |
| 20:31 | * mllerustad | passes out |
| 20:32 | pythonian4000 | I am hoping to get the mission reorganization done tonight ready for mllerustad to be able to play with the code afterwards =) |
| 20:32 | paulproteuss | mllerustad, If I end up taking your copy changes and commit them, would that be okay, or do you want the thrill of the patches? |
| 20:32 | pythonian4000, that would blow my mind. | |
| 20:32 | For me: 1. Fix Hudson so it pulls from Gitorious. 2. Deploy the new, Twisted-ified profile importer. | |
| 20:32 | pythonian4000 | As I said, it is just copy-paste material so *should* be relatively trivial. |
| 20:33 | paulproteuss | If there's time: 3. Move more profile import code to the Twisted architecture. 4. Document it on the wiki. |
| 20:33 | * pythonian4000 | ducks below a rampaging Velociraptor... |
| 20:34 | pythonian4000 | Later this week I will have a look into getting some sort of milestone addition into Roundup. |
| 20:34 | paulproteuss | If there's still time, write up the https://openhatch.org/bugs/issue163 tutorial. |
| 20:34 | That's it for me, I think. | |
| 20:35 | pythonian4000 | Speaking of which, what is the idea for "release" numbers? |
| 20:35 | paulproteuss | Abstractly, I always liked the idea of an ever-incrementing integer. |
| 20:35 | It's so nihilistic. | |
| 20:35 | And intentionally opaque. | |
| 20:35 | pythonian4000 | I was thinking e.g. 0.1.12 |
| 20:35 | Or 0.10.12 | |
| 20:36 | Leave the first number in case we ever want to change the way we release things... | |
| 20:36 | paulproteuss | That's also quite nice. |
| 20:37 | pythonian4000 | Means we limit ourselves to monthly "announced" releases, which I think is fine. |
| 20:37 | paulproteus | 0.yy.mm ? |
| 20:37 | pythonian4000 | Yup. |
| 20:38 | paulproteuss | Seems okay to me. |
| 20:38 | pythonian4000 | I mean, I would guess that everything goes on the website at time of completion, but the quantified releases are helpful for planning what to do, and letting people know what has actually been done. |
| 20:38 | paulproteuss | Yeah, exactly. |
| 20:39 | This is what I was aiming for with doing "releases" (-: | |
| 20:39 | pythonian4000 | Awesome. |
| 20:39 | paulproteuss | Many projects give releases nicknames. |
| 20:39 | pythonian4000 | Also, I would think that the number should correspond to the end of the month rather than the start, as it covers what was done in that month. |
| 20:40 | paulproteuss | +1 |
| 20:40 | (er, no pun intended) | |
| 20:40 | I like that idea. | |
| 20:40 | pythonian4000 | Hehe, a pun with no letters whatsoever. I one-handed clap to you. |
| 20:40 | paulproteuss | I'm the master of accidental puns. |
| 20:41 | Okay, so with that said, meeting over? | |
| 20:42 | pythonian4000 | Unless no one else has anything, I think so. |
| 20:43 | * paulproteuss | has started a new Hudson build. |
| 20:43 | Zathras__ | and silence came upon us |
| 20:43 | paulproteus | pythonian4000: Plus we can jam things in after the decimal if we need to. |
| 20:43 | paulproteuss | (that's my quassel being lagged to insanity) |
| 20:43 | Zathras__ | or not :P |
| 20:44 | paulproteuss | I said that, like, five minutes ago (-: |
| 20:44 | </meeting> | |
| 20:44 | pythonian4000 | Bring on 0.10.11! |
| 20:44 | paulproteuss | I'm going to work on Hudson notifying us on IRC about build failures. |
| 20:44 | That's right! | |
| 20:44 | paulproteus | Wow, Quassel is still lagged to smithereens. |
| 20:45 | * paulproteus | waves |
| 20:45 | paulproteus | Okay, better now. |
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| 20:45 | paulproteus | So we have these three jobs in Hudson that test various sub-parts of the code. |
| 20:46 | They're separate so we can get feedback faster. | |
| 20:46 | brb | |
| 20:46 | Zathras__ | maestro, got some time for a piratepad session (others please join in) |
| 20:46 | http://piratepad.net/5W0eju26WP | |
| 20:48 | * paulproteus | joins and reads! |
| 20:54 | mllerustad | paulproteus: That's fine with me. |
| 20:54 | paulproteus | ? |
| 20:58 | mllerustad | re: just giving copy changes to you |
| 20:58 | paulproteus | mllerustad: Oh, right-o. |
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| 22:07 | Zathras__ | paulprot1us, got some time for a quick docu brainstorm? |
| 22:07 | if not, maybe paulproteus has? :P | |
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