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19:38 freaktechnik hi rsjtdrjgfuzkfg
19:54 rsjtdrjgfuzkfg hi freaktechnik
20:12 GeekShadow yo
20:20 ilikenwf hi
20:20 rsjtdrjgfuzkfg generic hi *
20:20 :P
20:21 ilikenwf rumors of my demise have been greatly exaggerated
20:25 freaktechnik well, MMOs eat your live, don't they ;)
20:25 rsjtdrjgfuzkfg xD
20:26 freaktechnik SWG's an MMO, right?
20:36 ilikenwf yes and yes
20:36 lol
20:59 freaktechnik Developer Meeting Take 7
21:00 Action!
21:00 After no dev meeting happening last month (everybody sort of forgot about it) we do have one this month
21:00 (nearly forgot about this one too^^)
21:00 GeekShadow I'm here :p
21:00 Topic for #nightingale is now Nightingale Media Player || || Current release: 1.12.1 || Offtopic #chirping || Please idle and wait for a reply! || Channel logs: || Now: Dev-Meeting:
21:01 freaktechnik As always, the topics for the meeting can be found on the meeting's wiki page linked in the topic.
21:01 * rsjtdrjgfuzkfg is here exactly once a month at the moment
21:01 freaktechnik For the lazy:[…]eloper_meetings:7
21:01 not much without my name after it....
21:01 rsjtdrjgfuzkfg ^^
21:02 freaktechnik so I fixed MPRIS crashing on system where DBUS makes applications close when they send invalid UTF8 characters.
21:02 I didn't convert from UTF16 to UTF8 properly, so it generated funny characters for some symbols
21:02 bug report was via forum, never opened an issue for it on github.
21:03 I also just yesterday fixed eqpresets not applying on some systems.
21:05 As described in issue #322 it was cause by double->toString() using a comma for the floating point instead of a point on some systems. Luckily there was already a helper function around I didn't notice when I initially implemented the presets, so it was easy enough to fix. I also switched from writing an UTF8 string to the prefs to an UTF16 string, as dataremotes use utf16 strings, though that shouldn't matter if the string just
21:05 contains a floating point number, but rather be save than sorry.
21:05 ngissuesbot Issue #322: EQ Sliders don't load their band's value [04closed] 14-- (Milestone: 1.13)[…]acking/issues/322
21:05 GeekShadow yeah floating point is sometimes an issue with Windows
21:05 I had this with another program, can't remember which one
21:05 freaktechnik djcj doesn't use windows :P
21:06 GeekShadow Excel I think
21:06 oh
21:06 * rsjtdrjgfuzkfg remembers that being the reason for some tests failing back at songbird, but that is fixed by now^^
21:06 freaktechnik[…]Equalizer.cpp#L89
21:07 don't know how I overlooked that comment when I initially implemented the presets, but there it is...
21:07 also: if you can avoid dealing with strings in C++ with XULRunner/NSPR, do it.
21:09 Moving on...
21:09 I updated the forum to 1.8 (and then 1.8.1 like a day later). This broke our existing theme, so I decided to look for a responsive theme and modify it for the new design.
21:10 (as the new design is -responsive- adaptive)
21:10 rsjtdrjgfuzkfg And you broke non-JS login
21:10 freaktechnik kind of, yes.
21:11 rsjtdrjgfuzkfg for really small sizes the design does not adapt the header
21:12 freaktechnik I'll probably look into showing the user-menu without js at some point, shouldn't be too hard thanks to the :active and :focus pseudo classes, but that responsive theme is a mess...
21:12 rsjtdrjgfuzkfg: yeah, there seems to be an issue with the container sizes. It's a bit of a mess as the theme for the forum uses bootstrap, which ahs its own breakpoint stuff messing with our styles, plus it's minified, so a pain to edit.
21:12 rsjtdrjgfuzkfg also, I personally would prefer a clear indication on what is clickable and what not
21:13 ugh. Is there no non-minified version?
21:13 freaktechnik nah
21:14 I could try to use a beautifier, but I doubt that'd even help much. There's so many unnecessary media queries and stuff...
21:14 * rsjtdrjgfuzkfg 'd guess adopting another theme to become responsive should be easier?
21:15 freaktechnik well, this is the only responsive them out there. Pretty much everything else is vastly based on the myBB default templates. And those use tables heavily, which are hard to adapt to different screen sizes....
21:16 rsjtdrjgfuzkfg ugn. tables.
21:16 new theme?
21:16 freaktechnik however MyBB 2.0 will be responsive by default, so there'll be a change in themes again at that point, I'd guess
21:16 rsjtdrjgfuzkfg but I'd guess that is work too
21:16 freaktechnik a lot of work, yes.
21:17 and yeah, the cursor should turn into a hand when hovering over the user menu, I'll change that (that's easy enough to do^^^)
21:17 rsjtdrjgfuzkfg ^^
21:18 * rsjtdrjgfuzkfg mainly thought of some highlighting
21:18 rsjtdrjgfuzkfg the hand works for me
21:18 I'd guess that it looks different if a profile picture is set, though
21:18 GeekShadow same here
21:18 freaktechnik not much
21:18 over the profile picture there actually is a hand, I just noticed.
21:19 oh, the forum also uses gravatar now, I believe
21:19 rsjtdrjgfuzkfg and for me where I'd expect a profile picture is my username
21:19 no, at least not for me
21:19 freaktechnik well, it was in the changelog, but possibly isn't configured
21:20 That's what it looks like with profile picture:[…]e17ce450e8c739161
21:20 rsjtdrjgfuzkfg for me, it is my username with a really ugly circle around it
21:21 freaktechnik o.O
21:21 rsjtdrjgfuzkfg ugly in terms of over the text
21:21 freaktechnik it should look similar to when you're not logged in, but I guess the theme author forgot about that or something...
21:22 GeekShadow I don't have avatar so it's the default one
21:22 rsjtdrjgfuzkfg interesting
21:22 GeekShadow wait, I'm not loginned
21:23 rsjtdrjgfuzkfg with js disabled, I get the same look as if logged in
21:23 (e.g. "Guest" in the circle)
21:23 GeekShadow huh where do I login ?
21:23 ok ok
21:23 clicking on the circle
21:23 freaktechnik click on hi guest, you get a menu
21:23 GeekShadow but it's not really findable
21:24 I mean easily findable
21:24 freaktechnik if oyu want to do it better, feel free to.,
21:24 GeekShadow my avatar display well
21:24 rsjtdrjgfuzkfg you have an avatar
21:25 GeekShadow yup
21:25 rsjtdrjgfuzkfg ^^
21:25 the problem only occurs if you have none
21:26 freaktechnik okay, so you get a hand when hovering over the text besides the avatar (if any).
21:27 rsjtdrjgfuzkfg: the menu seems to be adapting fine down to reasonnable screen sizes for me.
21:28 what's possible is that the breakpoint is a bit too late right now, but that'll chang ein the future
21:28 rsjtdrjgfuzkfg for me, the main buttons on the top bar do not resize
21:28 and with the default size, they warp
21:28 freaktechnik[…]e17ce450e8c739161
21:29 rsjtdrjgfuzkfg: looks like 3 digit versions to me:
21:29 rsjtdrjgfuzkfg same image again?
21:30 freaktechnik ...sorry, that's a bug in the program... now it should be a new one...[…]d18c494423b43c085
21:30 rsjtdrjgfuzkfg I do not get the menu thing you have there
21:31 freaktechnik scrren width?
21:31 around 480px?
21:31 rsjtdrjgfuzkfg around 400px
21:31 freaktechnik yeah, the breakpoint there is too low atm
21:32 rsjtdrjgfuzkfg now I see the menu^^
21:32 yes
21:32 freaktechnik it gets even worse in some translations
21:32 (Portugese for example
21:33 rsjtdrjgfuzkfg ^^
21:34 imho we do not need to localize the header until other pages support it as well
21:34 If I click on a localized link, I expect to get somewhere localized
21:34 freaktechnik well, dahsboard and firstrun do it too
21:34 rsjtdrjgfuzkfg then we should have it everywhere
21:34 ^^
21:34 but I guess it is planned then
21:35 freaktechnik the main... issue I'm having atm is wp/dokuwiki/myBB not getting localized.
21:35 also, you'll probably never see a german version, because js.
21:35 rsjtdrjgfuzkfg :D
21:35 freaktechnik hm, does the dropdown menu work for you now?
21:35 rsjtdrjgfuzkfg with js yes
21:36 freaktechnik I've added a very basic css based hack
21:36 without, please
21:36 rsjtdrjgfuzkfg not really
21:36 freaktechnik okay, well, at least I know where to start now...
21:36 rsjtdrjgfuzkfg If you click and hold, then move your mouse over it, then it works
21:36 (but it does not auto-hide)
21:36 freaktechnik it hides as soon as focus is lost
21:37 in theory
21:37 rsjtdrjgfuzkfg yes, that works
21:37 freaktechnik so it does autohide like it does in js
21:37 * rsjtdrjgfuzkfg expected the usual css hover stuff
21:37 freaktechnik main problem is probably the span you click on not getting focus by default when you click on it.
21:37 rsjtdrjgfuzkfg yes
21:37 but probably there is something like focussable or something in css?
21:38 freaktechnik I'll have to look into it.
21:38 In the wors case I'll change the span to an anchor.
21:39 moving on to new issues...
21:39 first is #323, if I looked through the logs correctly
21:39 ngissuesbot Issue #323: Display remaining track time on left side [03open][…]acking/issues/323
21:41 rsjtdrjgfuzkfg agree with your comment
21:42 freaktechnik actually just noticed we already do that.
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21:42 freaktechnik hi AndrewLuecke
21:43 AndrewLuecke hey
21:43 whats happening?
21:43 freaktechnik dev meeting :D
21:43 (As the topic says)
21:43 rsjtdrjgfuzkfg freaktechnik: taglib 1.7 back then
21:44 freaktechnik oh you meant it was 1.7 you used then, I see.
21:44 GeekShadow opened #324 afterwards, not sure where it's heading.
21:45 ngissuesbot Issue #324: Cross-compilation [03open] 14-- (Assignee: johnmurrayvi)[…]acking/issues/324
21:45 AndrewLuecke oh
21:46 GeekShadow freaktechnik, well I'm thinking of setting up VMs for nightlies
21:46 freaktechnik yeah, with docker, right?
21:46 GeekShadow I didn't try johnmurray solution
21:46 yeah, but not sure docker allow cross-compilation
21:47 freaktechnik we'll be able to use azure \o/ ;)
21:47 rsjtdrjgfuzkfg xD
21:48 GeekShadow lol
21:48 well johnmurray mentioned we could be able to build windows binaries under linux
21:49 freaktechnik he got the deps to (nearly) build with mingw, so getting ngale to build should be a breeze ;)
21:50 GeekShadow as for Windows I'll have to look with Chocolatey to make a simple script to get all "dependancies"
21:50 freaktechnik ooh
21:51 that's nice, well if ngale can build against the VS express.
21:51 rsjtdrjgfuzkfg ngale can builg with vs express
21:51 GeekShadow it can...
21:51 rsjtdrjgfuzkfg that's what I always did
21:51 freaktechnik okay, I wasn't sure as current gecko doesn't
21:51 GeekShadow oh well for current gecko not sure
21:52 freaktechnik but I guess you're not mad and want to build the deps too?
21:53 GeekShadow well yes
21:53 freaktechnik mandman
21:53 *madman
21:53 * rsjtdrjgfuzkfg wishes good luck :P
21:54 freaktechnik #326 is good ol' broken smart playlist SQL query thing again :S
21:54 ngissuesbot Issue #326: Smart Playlists File Location Filter [03open][…]acking/issues/326
21:54 freaktechnik (or a user just really not understanding how the path filter works)
21:54 (which is a bad sign too)
21:55 rsjtdrjgfuzkfg Didn't we have a forum discussion some time ago?
21:55 freaktechnik I think so
21:55 rsjtdrjgfuzkfg about the same feature, something with file:// urls or something?
21:55 freaktechnik but that was about the not operator not working, I think
21:55 also mac file:// urls and stuff.
21:55 but I didn't find anything, which is also why I haven't commented on the issue yet
22:00 #327 : messing with a confusing buildsystem.
22:00 ngissuesbot Issue #327: Makefile verbose mode [03open][…]acking/issues/327
22:00 rsjtdrjgfuzkfg windows is already very verbose
22:01 prints every command it executes
22:01 freaktechnik linux too, at least for me. But I do not know what's considered verbose.
22:01 rsjtdrjgfuzkfg the snippet looks like a way less verbose display (which is, however, almost readable)
22:03 freaktechnik oh, if you read the description, his idea is to turn down the verbosity by default
22:03 (and make the current output verbose)
22:04 rsjtdrjgfuzkfg might be
22:05 * rsjtdrjgfuzkfg is not so sure about how to interpret the description
22:06 freaktechnik "If the verbosity [...] on[,] the output is the same as now, but if it's turned of[f] the output should look like this:"
22:06 wait,m I removed a needed is there, sorry.
22:06 rsjtdrjgfuzkfg ah. I think I get what you mean
22:06 I like that interpretation
22:07 freaktechnik it's the only one that makes sense, IMO
22:07 (
22:07 rsjtdrjgfuzkfg (what about it?)
22:07 freaktechnik (making fun of mozilla terms)
22:07 rsjtdrjgfuzkfg (down from here if that is your question?)
22:08 freaktechnik (AMO->, IMO->, SUMO->
22:08 rsjtdrjgfuzkfg ah
22:08 ^^
22:08 freaktechnik (but I used IMO as in my opinion there)
22:08 so, Somebody asked us on twitter if there'll be a Ubuntu 14.10 package in our PPA. And I have to admit I kind of forgot to order a build. But I'll have to mess with the buildconfig first again, so it can still take some time. And we already have november...
22:08 rsjtdrjgfuzkfg (I got that part now)
22:11 it it does not make much work, I don't know why we shouldn't run a build?
22:11 freaktechnik I've modified the debian buildscript to build the deps, foolishly thinking it'd work until 14.10'd come out.
22:11 rsjtdrjgfuzkfg ^^
22:11 freaktechnik but then I got stuck on a werid bug with the changelog parsing
22:12 (Everything else we got figured out, I think)
22:12 so I'll have to make a clone of it and revert to the working build config to build the 14
22:13 .10 version.. And bzr is a pain.
22:13 rsjtdrjgfuzkfg and that build thingie cannot build an old commit or however bzr calls it?
22:13 freaktechnik not that I'd know
22:13 (it's called revisions)
22:14 rsjtdrjgfuzkfg is there something like branching in bzr?
22:14 freaktechnik yes.
22:14 rsjtdrjgfuzkfg can you branch at the old revision, and build the new branch?
22:14 freaktechnik that's the plan
22:14 rsjtdrjgfuzkfg so you wouldn't need to revert
22:15 freaktechnik well, I'll have to revert from the current revision to the working revision on the branch used to build the package.
22:16 rsjtdrjgfuzkfg so you cannot publish from another branch without touching head (or whatever bzr calls it)...
22:17 freaktechnik hm?
22:17 oh, maybe I can checkout at the revision and branch it, right
22:17 rsjtdrjgfuzkfg At least in git, almost everything is no pain if you can somehow circumvent reverting / cherry picking / merging
22:18 e.g. your head stays unchanged, you do something somewhere else and can easily switch back to your unchanged head
22:18 freaktechnik well, bzr is a pain if you have to push. Or do anything else.
22:18 rsjtdrjgfuzkfg I see
22:19 freaktechnik I've started to milestones since the last devmeeting: one called 1.13 and one 1.13b1.
22:19 * rsjtdrjgfuzkfg saw at least the 1.13 one
22:19 freaktechnik The 1.13 one contains issues we should probably fix before we release the stable 1.13 version
22:19 rsjtdrjgfuzkfg any specific goals you had in mind?
22:19 e.g. what about xulrunner
22:19 freaktechnik 1.13b1 contains issues we have to fix before we can push a beta.
22:19 (-> stares at GeekShadow who should build langpacks)
22:20 GeekShadow yup
22:20 freaktechnik uhm, it's kind of 1.13'll stillbe with xulr 1.9. The bigger question is taglib.
22:27 I guess that's it for now... Further:
22:27 rsjtdrjgfuzkfg ??
22:28 GeekShadow I just hope people will not be confuse this is Firefox 10 release :p
22:28 rsjtdrjgfuzkfg I guess the page makes no sense with JS turned off because they cannot perform a date check server-side?
22:28 freaktechnik nah, because it's on a server that has no php. Also it's not official
22:28 GeekShadow: also, it counts down to the 9th, and not the 10th, when the PR event is
22:28 rsjtdrjgfuzkfg without js it says "NO to go until Nov 09! HELL YEAH!"
22:28 ...
22:29 freaktechnik I know
22:29 you can open issues/post pulls at
22:29 rsjtdrjgfuzkfg xD
22:32 freaktechnik GeekShadow: are the french localizers moaning about the shitton of work too?
22:32 (for #fx10)
22:32 GeekShadow someone was, because there are some stupid stuff to translate on Mozilla Newsletter
22:33 freaktechnik the german ones are complaining about the timeframes for the localizations
22:33 Topic for #nightingale is now Nightingale Media Player || || Current release: 1.12.1 || Offtopic #chirping || Please idle and wait for a reply! || Channel logs: || Dev-Meeting: 6nd December, 21:00 UTC
22:34 GeekShadow ls
22:34 oops
22:34 freaktechnik cd
22:34 rsjtdrjgfuzkfg rm -Rf / ?
22:34 Topic for #nightingale is now Nightingale Media Player || || Current release: 1.12.1 || Offtopic #chirping || Please idle and wait for a reply! || Channel logs: || Dev-Meeting: 6th December, 21:00 UTC
22:35 freaktechnik (1st , 2nd, 3rd, nth)
22:35 rsjtdrjgfuzkfg yeah... me thought 2 and wrote 6
22:51 GeekShadow I was wondering, why we are not full-op ?
22:51 freaktechnik hm?
22:52 rsjtdrjgfuzkfg I think we are?
22:52 freaktechnik you mean super op or something?
22:52 because IMO doesn't have HOPs
22:52 oh it actually has now
22:53 they changed server software, right
22:53 GeekShadow hmm on a channel where I'm op, I have green light, here just yellow
22:53 rsjtdrjgfuzkfg isn't yellow higher than green?
22:53 and blue the lower one?
22:53 GeekShadow also hexchat, display 1 ops for 11 users
22:54 rsjtdrjgfuzkfg for me, we (GeekShadow, freaktechnik, me) all have the same color
22:54 freaktechnik well, I'm in thunderbird, who only knows OP and HOP
22:54 not even an owner status or anything
22:55 rsjtdrjgfuzkfg our channel is properly registered and everything, as far as I can see that
22:56 freaktechnik yeah, I'd guess you're owner and like super op?
22:56 does /msg ChanServ levels #nightingale list work for you, rsjtdrjgfuzkfg ?
22:56 GeekShadow I got Access denied.
22:57 rsjtdrjgfuzkfg I get a list of levels
22:57 which should be correct, isn't it?
22:57 freaktechnik okay, so I guess it's restricted to owners.
22:57 GeekShadow oh now I see
22:57 we have & in front of our nicks
22:57 no @
22:58 * rsjtdrjgfuzkfg too
22:58 rsjtdrjgfuzkfg and i can access that stuff
22:58 freaktechnik but you're owner/founder
22:58 so what kind of OP is &?
22:59 * GeekShadow looks
22:59 GeekShadow but yeah we recently all changed from @ to &
22:59 freaktechnik well, when the server upgraded
22:59 there's no gravel anymore, it's somethign with f now
22:59 and concrete's gone too.
22:59 And you can now auth over some other mechanism
23:00 GeekShadow freaktechnik, yeah but I was op before the server upgrade on another channel and I'm still
23:00 freaktechnik well, then you're either owner  or the owner of the channel promoted you to the respective OP status.
23:00 GeekShadow "&  = Is a channel operator and is protected by our set of IRC channel services."
23:00 freaktechnik and what's @?
23:01 manually set temporary OP?
23:01 GeekShadow @  = Is a channel operator but is not protected by our set of IRC channel services.
23:01 so it's seems higher
23:01 freaktechnik so & is one set by chanserv then
23:01 while @ is set by an OP/owner, that's how I'd interpret that
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23:02 GeekShadow I thought it was chanserv who automatically op?
23:02 freaktechnik so & is one set by chanserv then
23:04 GeekShadow -ChanServ- Access for GeekShadow on #nightingale:
23:04 -ChanServ- GeekShadow matches access entry GeekShadow, which has privilege SOP.
23:04 rsjtdrjgfuzkfg I can see that we all have SOP
23:04 and all old HOPS have been migrated to AOPs
23:04 is that how it is supposed to be?
23:04 freaktechnik super OP
23:04 no idea what AOP and QOPs are
23:05 VOPs are voice ops and there seem to still be HOPs
23:05 GeekShadow
23:05 ngissuesbot Issue #2: Remove from the build process or find it's new alternative [04closed] 14-- (Assignee: johnmurrayvi; Milestone: xul-9)[…]-hacking/issues/2
23:05 GeekShadow SOPs are a "higher" level than AOPs and have all the AOP privileges in addition to some extra powers. As the founder, you are at a higher level still and you have all the SOP and AOP privileges, plus some founder-only powers. There is no need to add yourself to the SOP or AOP lists.
23:06 freaktechnik so AOP is @ then...
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23:08 GeekShadow ok
23:08 weird that I still get Access Denied for chanserv levels #nightingale list
23:09 freaktechnik I'd guess that's limited to owners
23:10 GeekShadow oh yep
23:10 freaktechnik AOP is @
23:10 rsjtdrjgfuzkfg from /msg chanserv HELP LEVELS: The SET FOUNDER and this command are always restricted to the channel founder.
23:11 GeekShadow ok that clear my mind
23:11 I have another question, can bounties on bountysource expire someday ?
23:12 freaktechnik no, not that I know of
23:12 other than bs closing down
23:14 so seems kind of like a foundery-thing
23:16 rsjtdrjgfuzkfg interesting thing is, I'm not on that list
23:16 now you are
23:16 and I can add myself
23:17 freaktechnik yeah, so QOP is owner
23:17 rsjtdrjgfuzkfg not technically
23:17 freaktechnik well, from the mode it sets to the users
23:17 +q
23:17 rsjtdrjgfuzkfg as I was able to execute owner stuff without being qop
23:17 freaktechnik not for chanserv, yes.
23:17 well, I think that's because you're the founder.
23:18 which is automatically an owner for chanserv
23:18 rsjtdrjgfuzkfg k
23:19 so, all AOPs have been migrated
23:20 are you now able to execute that levels stuff?
23:20 GeekShadow yup
23:20 freaktechnik VOP seems tobe a weird rank
23:20 yes.
23:20 rsjtdrjgfuzkfg then it seems like it worked
23:21 :)
23:21 freaktechnik but VOPs can execute FANTASIA, so that's a plus....
23:21 rsjtdrjgfuzkfg wtf is that?
23:21 freaktechnik no idea, no help for it either. I'd guess help easteregg, because VOPs are weird.
23:21 GeekShadow this ?[…]antasia-26517.jpg
23:22 :p
23:22 freaktechnik probably
23:24 fantasia's also listed in the modes list.
23:24 I mean levels list.
23:24 rsjtdrjgfuzkfg "Allowed to use fantaisist commands "
23:24 freaktechnik HELP FANTASIA works for you?
23:25 rsjtdrjgfuzkfg only /msg chanserv HELP LEVELS DESC
23:25 freaktechnik oh
23:26 rsjtdrjgfuzkfg and google. The quote was from google
23:27 freaktechnik so VOP is merely an autokick protection and an autovoice for an user.
23:50 rsjtdrjgfuzkfg GeekShadow: your irc-client is not using tls
23:50 (or server, or whatever talks to the fripp guy)
23:53 GeekShadow it's irssi
23:53 I'll have to check
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23:59 GeekShadow rsjtdrjgfuzkfg, where do you see that ?

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