Time Nick Message
21:45 willingc :)
21:45 skay willingc: thanks o/
21:44 willingc skay: i would love to see you speak since I love chatting with you when I do see you
19:57 paulproteus shauna: +1 to your version!
19:10 shauna paulproteus: 17 by itself looked strange, see if you like my compromise
18:52 Niharika skay: I gave one last year and loved the experience. Now I'm hunting for topics about which I could possibly speak and people would come and listen. :P
18:52 skay Niharika: thanks :)
18:51 Niharika skay: :) If you get time, do apply for a talk at http://opensourcebridge.org/events/2015/proposals It's not a big scary conference. You'd give an awesome talk, I know.
18:50 skay I've got some ansible code in partial shape to deploy it, but haven't completed things
18:50 skay Niharika: I would like to spend some outside time getting pyvideo.org up to date with the latest master, but have been too busy to work that out
18:50 skay Niharika: neato! Wikimedia! I've been working at Canonical for 3 months now and things are good
18:49 Niharika skay: I've to work with Tim and get the bugtracking app deployed on the TimVideos server. I've been procrastinating it forever. :P
18:47 Niharika Tim*
18:47 Niharika skay: It's going well! I'm working with Wikimedia as a contractor for a few months. How's it going at your end?
18:47 Niharika skay: Yeah. :) I'm not there. I thought you'd be going over. Time said you might.
18:47 paulproteus shauna: Maybe with a brief note after the giant 17 that says, "That's the number of events. I'm excited. Now, onto the details."
18:46 skay Carl is in New Zealand with them
18:46 skay Niharika: how is it going? I know that timvideos crew is at LCA conf right now :)
18:46 skay Niharika: hi theres :)
18:45 Niharika Hi skay! How're you?
18:35 shauna A good idea, even
18:32 shauna Oh, no I didn't. That's a goo idea.
18:31 skay shauna: I am behind on conversations so this may be redundant -- did you let people in sciencelab know about the topic?
18:31 shauna That seems weird.
18:31 shauna Just... the number 17?
18:30 * skay 's internet is slow too
18:30 paulproteus shauna: Right above "September"
18:29 shauna also: oof my internet is slow
18:29 shauna paulproteus: where would you suggest I put it?
18:28 shauna skay: I am excited too!
18:20 paulproteus This makes sense, from the author of producingoss.com, but anyway, thanks kfogel (who isn't here but deserves a mention)
18:19 paulproteus shauna: http://www.rants.org/2013/01/09/the-irc-curmudgeon/ is nicely-written and borderline excellent reference material that we could hypothetically point students to.
18:11 paulproteus Looks like I have a lot of reading to do, with this post and all that it links to.
18:11 paulproteus It's also so exciting that we seem to be good at getting "repeat customers"!
18:11 paulproteus The content of the post, that is.
18:10 paulproteus It's amazing.
18:10 paulproteus But if not, I can deal. (-:
18:10 paulproteus shauna: I should have said this earlier, but -- can you put the giant number 17 somewhere here? As big as the images.
18:10 skay shauna: I am excited about this topic and really happy to see people posting already http://discourse.openhatch.org/t/introductions-thread-theory-and-research/62
17:56 shauna http://blog.openhatch.org/2015/semester-of-events/
17:51 shauna Changing manually now.
17:49 shauna But I used h2s and h3s which I think are getting overridden in the blog css.
17:49 shauna re: WYSIWYG I just copied and pasted from htmlpad
17:48 shauna And above I guess.
17:48 shauna Allll I want is padding below an h2
17:46 paulproteus Not that I know that's related but it usually is.
17:46 paulproteus -1 to the WordPress WYSIWYG editor
17:44 shauna Wow the spacing on this post is incredibly inconsistent.
17:34 paulproteus Great.
17:33 shauna I guess I learned some things about css though so the delay wasn't so bad.
17:32 shauna After 2.5 hours I can finally post my blog post!
17:32 shauna Yay!
17:32 shauna Had to open a different private browsing session.
17:32 shauna Yeah, fixed on Firefox.
17:32 shauna But I was looking at Firefox first and was confused.
17:31 shauna It's fixed on Chrome but not on Firefox for me. Maybe a caching issue.
17:31 shauna *said
17:31 shauna No, I siad no.
17:30 paulproteus Nothing too bad seems to have happened.
17:29 paulproteus Did you say yes to the scary thing that implies we should say no? I don't know if that's still a thing. What are you worrid about?
17:28 shauna ... maybe I deployed wrong.
17:26 gitcommits [13oh-mainline] 15paulproteus merged 06deployed_linode.openhatch.org into 06deployed_linode2.openhatch.org: 02 http://git.io/MFPsfQ
17:26 gitcommits [13oh-mainline] 15paulproteus merged 06master into 06deployed_linode.openhatch.org: 02 http://git.io/MFPsfQ
17:24 gitcommits 13oh-mainline/06master 14d8404eb 15shaunagm: Merge pull request #1522 from paulproteus/bugfix/constrain-front-page-fixes-to-front-page...
17:24 gitcommits 13oh-mainline/06master 143272b01 15Asheesh Laroia: Move front-page-specific CSS rules to landing.less...
17:24 gitcommits [13oh-mainline] 15shaunagm pushed 2 new commits to 06master: 02 http://git.io/aID32Q
17:23 shauna Can't get less changes to appear, going to merge anyway and hope for the best.
17:16 shauna Okay! Almost there!
17:16 shauna Well, can I *guess* through elaborate method.
17:16 shauna Wait no can't test.
17:15 * shauna will test and then merge, hopefully
17:15 shauna It seems like it moves the 32% width declaration to the landing page only, which makes sense.
17:15 shauna :)
17:14 paulproteus afk a bit.
17:14 paulproteus Again massive props to your for finding that.
17:13 paulproteus Feel free to merge + deploy. The blog should visually update once cloudflare caches expire.
17:13 paulproteus But I might misunderstand what your concern was.
17:13 paulproteus https://github.com/openhatch/oh-mainline/pull/1522 - shauna, fwiw, this change doesn't decrease the degree of documentedness, which I believe was a thing you were concerned about in how I might solve it.
17:08 shauna I'll find some other excuse soon.
17:07 shauna I'm a little sad that I figured it out because I was just about to try git blame, which I've never used before.
17:05 shauna Okay.
17:05 shauna Like, why is this so complicated? How can we fix it?
17:05 paulproteus Well let me submit a pull request with what I mean; ETA 10 min.
17:04 shauna Do we need another undocumented complication for people working on css?
17:04 paulproteus Massive props to you for being able to reproduce this and find the thing that broke it.
17:04 paulproteus I'd rather add some CSS constraints so the rules carefully avoid being relevant to the blog.
17:03 shauna Should I just revert the PR?
17:03 shauna This is the PR: https://github.com/openhatch/oh-mainline/pull/1474
17:03 paulproteus Ah hah. Yes in incognito Firefox.
17:02 paulproteus Logged in or out; Firefox or Chromium or Google Chrome.
17:02 paulproteus Weird. I can't reproduce that.
17:01 shauna I only see this while logged out. I'm curious what's going on there.
17:01 shauna Posted
17:00 paulproteus b
17:00 paulproteus But that's the worst I see.
17:00 paulproteus On skinny screens the sidebar is up at the top, which is a little tragic.
17:00 shauna I'll take a screenshot
17:00 paulproteus No, viewing in incognito now
17:00 shauna window thing
16:59 shauna view the blog in a private browser
16:59 shauna paulproteus: are you logged in?
16:59 paulproteus What's the display bug precisely?
16:59 paulproteus It doesn't even seem borked to me.
16:59 shauna Has our blog been borked for that long?
16:59 shauna Added in Nov 18, 2014
16:59 paulproteus So weird that logged in vs. out would make a difference.
16:58 paulproteus mysite/static/less/base/base.less .column line 301 maybe
16:58 shauna Just patience.
16:58 shauna Guess I don't need any fancy searching.
16:58 shauna Wait, there it is.
16:58 shauna }"
16:58 shauna clear: none;
16:58 shauna The first one I checked, two_column.less, just says ".column {
16:57 shauna So I'm trying to find all references to ".column" in less/css.
16:57 shauna Since the width attribute seems to be the key difference between the two.
16:57 shauna Where correct == what I see when logged in, and incorrect == what logged out people see.
16:57 shauna Basically, I'm trying to figure out why there's a width attribute for .column in the incorrect version and not in the correct version.
16:56 paulproteus I agree with the remark you made on the bug that this is error-prone and difficult and opaque.
16:56 paulproteus shauna: ^ I can possibly answer other questions but I'm a little behind on understand what you're doing/seeing and a little tired. But I could e.g. screenshare with you for a bit to see what you see.
16:55 paulproteus "less" is not something the browser understands, so "less.js" in the browser converts the styles from less into real honest to goodness CSS in the browser.
16:55 paulproteus FWIW anything you see as "inline" in the browser probably means it came from "less".
16:55 paulproteus Also good morning, I see you asked a question on https://github.com/openhatch/oh-mainline/issues/1512
16:54 paulproteus git grep -F '.column'
16:54 shauna A search for ".column" in oh/oh-mainline returns 500+ results because the . is ignored.
16:54 shauna :(
16:18 shauna So here's a potentially relevant question. I only see this when I'm *not* logged in.
16:16 shauna I see. In a two column layout, the left side keeps column-width, and the right doubles in size.
16:14 shauna If "@total-width: 1000px; @standard-padding: 20px;" then column-width should be 300.
16:13 shauna Oh I see it's specified within base.less!
16:13 shauna But the actual css file doesn't have a @total-width or a padding between columns...
16:11 shauna Which I guess must be importing from the actual css file.
16:11 shauna Which is specified as "((@total-width - @padding-between-columns * 2) / 3) - @padding-between-columns;" in base.less.
16:10 shauna I guess the most recent specification of column-width.
16:10 shauna But import from wheeeeeere?
16:10 shauna Okay, apparently @ means import.
16:08 shauna I'm going to look up the notation myself, but help is always appreciated.
16:08 shauna Does anyone know what " width: @column-width;" implies?
16:01 shauna http://lists.openhatch.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
16:01 Niharika Thanks. :)
16:01 Niharika Oh, okay.
16:01 shauna lists.openhatch.org
16:01 shauna the devel mailing list
16:01 Niharika devel@?
15:59 shauna Not sure! We could do a doodle poll on devel@
15:56 Niharika I so don't want to miss it.
15:56 Niharika Hi shauna! When do we plan to have the proposal brainstorming session for OSB?
15:55 * shauna is trying to fix the blog css again
15:54 shauna hi drovka
15:32 drovka Hi!
15:31 marktraceur Hi drovka!
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07:04 paulproteus Happy to help!
06:56 shreya Thankyou
06:53 paulproteus You're always welcome to come here and ask more questions! We may or may not be around but we'd like to be as helpful as we can be!
06:53 shreya Okay
06:52 paulproteus I don't know all that much about those two codebases, but GNOME is considered a pretty welcoming project, although if people don't reply, you may have to be patient; they're mostly volunteers.
06:52 paulproteus I found https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=720572 (which is a docs bug in gnome-terminal) and https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=742520 (which is in gnome-control-center) a C coding bug
06:50 shreya paulproteus : Thanks a lot
06:49 paulproteus You can click on "documentation" and find yourself here: http://openhatch.org/search/?q=&contribution_type=documentation&language=C
06:49 paulproteus http://openhatch.org/search/?q=&language=C is another interface to browse those.
06:49 paulproteus We have this step by step guide here with a little more info on what getting involved means: http://labs.openhatch.org/foss-contrib-guide/
06:48 paulproteus GNOME's entry point for that stuff is https://wiki.gnome.org/GnomeLove
06:47 paulproteus There are also lots and lots of GNOME projects, like gnome-terminal, that have bitesize bugs (or documentation bugs) that they want help with.
06:47 paulproteus I don't know if they have bitesize bugs lists, though, but it'd be cool if they do.
06:47 paulproteus So do you happen to use any software in either of those platforms (Windows, Ubuntu) that's written in C? GNU screen, and GNU nano, come to mind as possibilities for the Ubuntu side; I use both of those and maybe you do, too.
06:47 paulproteus It's just often easier to make a first impression and get to know how people operate by doing something less technical first. That's how I always start out.
06:46 paulproteus Having said that, if you know C really well and want to dive into something, that's OK too.
06:46 paulproteus It's also often a great idea to hang out around with the people in that community on IRC for a little while and just listen and see what they talk about.
06:46 paulproteus Try to find ones that you use, and try to get to know the community by doing things like documentation fixes (be that code docs, like comments, or user-facing documentation, like help manuals) first.
06:45 paulproteus So here are my general tips for getting involved in open source projects.
06:45 paulproteus OK great.
06:45 paulproteus Oh cool!
06:45 paulproteus Windows 7, Ubuntu, Mac OS, etc.
06:45 shreya Windows and Ubuntu both
06:43 paulproteus What operating system do you run, typically?
06:43 paulproteus Cool that you know C!
06:43 shreya paulproteus : I know C and would like to contribute to open source projects and thought should start with working on bitsize bugs.What do you suggest?
06:42 paulproteus Thanks for stopping by!
06:41 paulproteus Hi shreya! Can you tell me something you already know about, and something you want to learn more about?
06:41 shreya Hello I am a beginner.Can anyone help me in finding bugs to work on/
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