Time  Nick      Message
02:14 pdurbin   Me neither. I'm bringing my kids camping.
02:13 HedgeMage Interesting.  Shame I can't go, given the date.
02:13 pdurbin   I heard about it at https://changelog.com/podcast/bonus-sustainoss
02:13 pdurbin   HedgeMage: you might enjoy https://sustainoss.org
02:10 HedgeMage It's the polite thing to do. :)
02:10 pdurbin   HedgeMage: aw, thanks! You didn't need to do that.
02:05 HedgeMage Thanks!  I credited you at the top.
01:57 pdurbin   HedgeMage: Yes! Pay it forward is what I'm talking about. Good addition.
01:46 HedgeMage pdurbin: updated with a section immediately after the bit about ambitious people
01:42 HedgeMage pdurbin: I'll try to work other motivations in.  I think that working so hard to save/protect/maintain things that never had a real succession plan have made me somewhat hyperfocused on that angle.
01:41 pdurbin   That is to say, when people come along and say, "This open source thing sounds neat! How can I help?" ... I want to help them get started because that's what I said 20 years ago.
01:40 pdurbin   HedgeMage: interesting post. Good stuff, especially for BDFLs who are looking for a successor or do reduce the bus number of a project. I think I'm more interested in the health of the open source ecosystem rather than any particular project.
01:32 pdurbin   I like this: "mentor and mentee should always know when and how the next regular communication is coming"
01:32 HedgeMage thanks, typo corrected
01:31 HedgeMage pdurbin: Any mentoring that takes more effort than how I describe "arms-length coaching" in the post.
01:31 pdurbin   s/begger/beggar/
01:29 pdurbin   I'm not sure what you mean by active mentoring.
01:28 HedgeMage pdurbin: Can you enumerate other reasons for active mentoring in a concise way that I can add to the post?
01:27 HedgeMage pdurbin: I hope that you are *also* doing succession planning for your projects, in that case.  Too often, engineers don't, and projects suffer for it.
01:26 pdurbin   HedgeMage: It's good. I'm not done. "Mentoring others is essential for ambitious people" doesn't resonate with me. I'm not training successors. I'm going for a win-win with students who will move on soon. They learn something. I get some work out of them.
01:18 HedgeMage pdurbin: blog post that resulted from earlier conversation: https://binaryredneck.net/2017/06/04/getting-mentorship-right-oss/