Time Nick Message 19:04 HedgeMage :) 19:02 pdurbin Heh. Devdas Bhagat on Twitter: "@philipdurbin If that's the HedgeMage I know, then the IRC life is fairly old, when asking to PM was normal (I still do it)." - https://twitter.com/f3ew/status/886651558296862720 18:12 pdurbin :) 17:31 HedgeMage pdurbin: nifty :) 15:49 pdurbin HedgeMage: for when you get back, I incorporated some of those great ideas into a comment at https://github.com/IQSS/open-source-at-harvard/issues/3#issuecomment-315617852 . Thanks! 15:34 vmbrasseur HedgeMage++ :-) 15:33 vmbrasseur Ah! Yes, I certainly do approve. :) 15:33 * vmbrasseur checks scrollback. 15:32 pdurbin HedgeMage: it's nice of you to ask to PM first. I'm sure vmbrasseur would approve, given what she put on slide 33 of https://ia801905.us.archive.org/27/items/seagl2016-irc/seagl2016-irc.pdf . Yes, you are welcome to PM me any time. 15:28 HedgeMage Oops, I just realized the time...I must take my mini-hacker on an errand. Catch up with you later. 15:27 HedgeMage David's done cooler talks on it, though, getting it out to more devs. 15:27 HedgeMage Daniel Gruno came up with it originally, IIRC. 15:27 HedgeMage David Nalley 15:27 pdurbin HedgeMage: he being David Nalley or Daniel Gruno? 15:27 HedgeMage May I pm? 15:27 HedgeMage This reminds me... 15:25 HedgeMage He's not the original inventor of the term, but he's done more to popularize it than anyone I know. 15:25 HedgeMage Yes, one of his talks is where I learned of it from. 15:25 pdurbin HedgeMage: I've never heard of Pony Factor before. Does https://ke4qqq.wordpress.com/2015/02/08/pony-factor-math/ define it well? 15:24 HedgeMage may not have current access credentials or remember how anything is set up. 15:24 HedgeMage A lot of projects think they're fairly robust because they have X contributors, without realizing that maybe only 1-2 people have actual access to the infrastructure (so if they are gone, no updates happen unless someone forks), or without realizing that someone who's drifted off to do other things for 18 months probably isn't reliable in this regard because even if they would respond to an emergency, they 15:22 HedgeMage Pony factor is the minimum number of committers, selecting only from those who have made commits in the last six months (i.e. active committers), you need to add together for their commits to total >50% of the entire current code base. 15:21 HedgeMage static analysis, documentation and test coverage, etc.) 15:21 HedgeMage pdurbin: The things that would most interest me, relative to my institution, are: Pony Factor (it's a measure of a project's resilience to personnel turnover), funding source (right now a lot of critical stuff in academia is being supported on a lackluster "best effort" basis due to DOE, NSF, etc having "build good, maintenance bad" models), and a dev practices checklist (code review, automated testing, 15:16 pdurbin HedgeMage: I hear you on how it's got to be useful within my institutions. I added a bunch of questions to the top of the README. Which questions do you think I should be asking? 15:16 pdurbin HedgeMage: I hadn't seen https://www.jetbrains.com/research/devecosystem-2017/ but I'm looking now. Thanks! 15:14 HedgeMage pdurbin: Have you looked at the recent Jetbrains "State of Developer Ecosystem" thing? 15:13 pdurbin HedgeMage: yeah, there's only one project I know of at Harvard that isn't on GitHub. In the README I asked folks like this to open an issue. I'm glad you like the additional context. 15:12 HedgeMage pdurbin: I think it's got to be useful within your institution, though. I know that getting a handle on what really was/wasn't happening across IU was was harder than I thought. 15:11 HedgeMage (This, btw, is why I don't trust Github data dumps in terms of language popularity: it's heavily biased toward the specific communities that use github, while other communities which prefer different kinds of hosting are ignored.) 15:10 HedgeMage pdurbin: That gives a lot more context. It might also be interesting if you had a way to operate on regular git repos, independent of the github api, so that people on other types of hosting could participate. 14:48 pdurbin HedgeMage: I hope you're feeling better. I took another swing at the README at https://github.com/IQSS/open-source-at-harvard if you (or others here) would like to let me know what you think.